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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2011 08:33 pm
Jobs: Worse than you think
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The U.S. labor force is shrinking, as more Americans are giving up hope.
Last month, only 58.1% of Americans age 16 and over were employed, a significant drop from before the recession and the lowest since 1983.
That's especially worrisome to economists, who say a steady increase in those dropping out of the work force and not being counted in the unemployment rate is disguising just how bad the labor market really is.
"People are dropping out of labor force for all types of reasons," said Robert Brusca of FAO Economics. "And it's not a good trend. A good part of the wealth of a nation has to do with the proportion of population that works."
Some economists say that the employment-population ratio, or "e-pop," is a more accurate snapshot of the labor market than the unemployment rate, which fell to 9.1% last month from 10.1% in October 2009.
"When we have a time when the labor force is not growing normally, e-pop provides the cleanest assessment of what is going on in the labor market," said Heidi Shierholz, a labor economist with the Employment Policy Institute, a liberal think tank. "What you see is from '07 to '09 -- it fell off a cliff, and it hasn't recovered since then.


Cool graph found at link....
http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/08/news/economy/unemployment_jobs/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2011 09:11 pm
Gold breaks $1750.

That is all.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2011 09:56 pm
Gold breaks $1760.

That is all.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2011 10:13 pm
Gold hits $1770.

That is all.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 12:33 am
WHY THE GLOBAL ECONOMIC CRISIS HAS ONLY JUST BEGUN


After an ineffective weekend flurry of phone calls among world leaders, confidence in governments’ ability to react is eroding. And the uglier it gets, the more politicians will focus on their own skin rather than finding a common solution. Buckle up.
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MUNICH - This was the scene on Friday: global stock markets were continuing to slide, rumors were rumbling about the US credit rating downgrade, the European Union commissioner for economic and monetary affairs, Olli Rehn, was trying to undo the ineptitude of Commission president José Manuel Barroso….and then we learn that the German chancellor and the French president were going to be talking the situation over on the phone.
A phone call. Not only that, but G-20 deputy finance ministers were going to be conference-calling. And a meeting of G-8 states might be arranged -- or at the very least, the deputy finance ministers of those countries would confer by phone.
All this telephone action was supposed to create the impression that politicians were doing something to deal with the collapse of the world economy. As if a bunch of deputy ministers could stabilize the stock market and make buying government bonds seem like the next neat thing to investors. As if there were some kind of miracle weapon in the European Central Bank’s safe just waiting for the pols to say the word so that it could be wheeled forth and make everything right again. Not surprisingly the phoning flurry produced no results whatsoever.
The debt crisis is teaching politicians that a free market economy does what it has always done rather well – whatever it wants. Many investors are alert, politically aware people who understand the causes and effects of economic crises, and still react to them egotistically. They don’t want to lose money, and if possible, want to make more of it. So they hear about the telephone call between Merkel and Sarkozy, they listen to the EU Commission president, the American president, and what they get from all that is that the politicians aren’t going to be much help.
The power of politics squeezed dry
Just three weeks after the special EU summit on Greece, not only has the congratulatory vibe disappeared – it’s as if the power of politics has been squeezed dry.
The market marches inexorably on, oblivious to government declarations that everything is under control and that safety nets and special loans are enough to contain worst-case scenarios. Meanwhile, it’s abundantly clear to most that the debt burden is too high, and in the face of this fact, the chances of growth are too weak. The apparently inexhaustible trust in the idea of an ever-solvent state is now exhausted.
But even with this sobering news, little is likely to change. Under the pressure of events, politicians are unlikely to suddenly develop unsuspected abilities to make clear-headed decisions. Don’t expect a European transfer union to emerge in which Germany gets -- for a very high price, to be sure -- its EU economic government. It’s also just as unlikely that overnight the US Congress comes up with a comprehensive austerity package and tax increases, both prerequisites for a balanced US budget.
The danger is much more likely that, as the crisis moves into its next phase, politicians abandon the little there is of a cooperative spirit and start to take up positions against each other. What has been going on in the US Congress is just a light sampling of what can happen when political camps fight for their existence. In the US, where presidential elections are slated next year, Barack Obama can expect no concessions from his opponents, who are bent on destroying him politically. Now, it's about political survival, mandates, majorities, the next president. Compromise only gets in the way.
Prospects don’t look any better in Europe. The Zapatero government in Spain has capitulated and moved the date of the general election up. The country’s politicians will ostensibly not be focusing on getting Spain’s debt situation in order but rather on getting votes. In Italy, after Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi‘s address to parliament, it‘s clear that nothing much will change soon -- including any sense of urgency about the national debt. The French presidential elections will take place next spring. There is more than a little danger that the right-wing National Front sets the tone: nationalist, anti-European, and fiscally populist.
In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel will be wondering how she’s going to manage to get a majority vote in parliament for the Greek rescue package. The Social Democratic Party (SPD) supported it not out of altruism and loyalty to Europe, but so that it would open a way for all the grumbling parliamentarians in the conservative camp to revolt. If the chancellor is counting on the SPD and a borrowed majority to get this through, she may find herself out of luck.
In both the US and Europe, the debt crisis will increasingly become a domestic political issue. That’s the bad news in this summer of crisis that just two weeks ago looked like it might be under control. The truth is that it’s just starting now.
Read the original article in German

http://www.worldcrunch.com/why-global-economic-crisis-has-only-just-begun/3567
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 02:29 am
Traders made a run at stanching the hemorrhaging, pushing the European markets up about 1.5% at opening. The effort rapidly failed, with the markets now down 2.5 - 3%.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 07:13 am
@slkshock7,
When one side is trying to compromise and gives the other side 80% of what they want, why would you vote both sides out?

Shouldn't you punish the side that is refusing any agreement?
parados
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 07:23 am
@slkshock7,
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Obama has certainly advocated his share of spending, especially in his one attempt at putting a budget on the table

What alternate reality do you live in?
Obama has presented 3 budgets. One each year he has been in office.
The 3 budgets can be found here
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/browse.html

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Neither do the Dems...all they care about is winning the next election by giving away enough goodies that people vote for them.
That's about as real as your claim that Obama has only attempted one budget. Perhaps you need to take your advice and stop laying blame, particularly when you lay blame with made up facts.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 07:25 am
@Thomas,
A lower credit rating means higher interest rates which hurts economic growth. It is the fear of a down turn in economic growth that is causing investors to flee stocks.

That and just fear in general.
The down market causes technical investors to sell due to technical indicators which in turn spooks other investors because of the drop.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 08:31 am


Obama needs to go on TV and announce that he will not be seeking re-election to
a second term as president... the US economy will begin to improve immediately
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 08:46 am
@H2O MAN,
Are you saying that the markets are not realistic but instead are psychologically driven.

That is like saying psychopathic people in power will do what ever they need too, to promote their agenda!

Have you had your water tested? Because that makes sense to me! lol
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 08:47 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
A lower credit rating means higher interest rates which hurts economic growth. It is the fear of a down turn in economic growth that is causing investors to flee stocks.

If that was true, bond investors would be betting that long-term interest rates rise, not fall. But that's not what happened. Investors bid long-term bond yields down yesterday. That's exactly my problem with this story line. It doesn't fit the data from the bond markets.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 08:58 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
When one side is trying to compromise and gives the other side 80% of what they want, why would you vote both sides out?

Because both sides hold positions well to the right of the average American voter. To get the representatives back in sync with the represented, it would help to throw both parties out. So if I could wave a magic wand, replacing America's Republicans with European-style Christian Democrats and America's Democrats with European-style Social Democrats, I would do it in a heartbeat. That would replace both parties with alternatives that stand to the left of America's Democrats. And more importantly, it would realign the views of the average politician with the views of the average voter.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 09:05 am
@Thomas,
Amen Thomas. It seems that we are up against the weapons of mass deception and I think that it will bring civil unrest like we have never seen in the near future!
We seem to be, being led by the greed of psychopaths!
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 10:32 am
@Thomas,
Do you wish you were back in Germany? I don't see how relabelling political parties here or anywhere would change things in any meaningful way. Moreover it would be hard to make the case that over time the sound and fury of domestic politics is significantly different here compared to France,Germany, or the UK. If there is any significant difference beetween us and them it is in the fact that we have a mostly two party system while they (in varying degrees) have three principal parties. That provides an added dimension for new alliances and compromise in pursuit of power, one that usually provides less intense, but more frequent, "political crises'. Belgium, at the heart of the EU hasn't had a government for almost a year.

Finally, it appears to me that your proposition that both our political parties are well to the right of the REAL wishes of the American people and their respective voters is contrary to all the known facts. How could such an outcome come about in a democratic system?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 10:53 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Belgium, at the heart of the EU hasn't had a government for almost a year.


And that has actually only very little to do with with several political parties but with the differences between the two large language blocks (the smaller third part, the Belgian German speaking community, is out here).
(The dispute is between the Flemish nationalist N-VA as the largest party in Flanders, and the Socialist Party PS, the largest party in Wallonia.)


Belgian has, of course, a government, a so-called "caretaker government".
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 10:56 am
@reasoning logic,
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We seem to be, being led by the greed of psychopaths!


Only psychopaths have the will and the stamina to seek power. In monarchies power is thrust upon the monarch. That is well known even in bowling and cricket clubs and unions. The field is large and the chosen leaders are the most expert psychopaths. With monarchies there is a 50/50 chance of sane government but with psychopaths there is no chance.

The only other alternative is to grant power to those who are prepared to make serious sacrifices to exercise it. Kept vows of poverty, chastity and obedience and a talented hierarchy eschewing nepotism and holding allegiance to nothing mundane. Scientists, real ones, and bishops.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 11:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
There are always reasons for political divides Walter. Thomas had suggested the European system (or more acurately,the German one) is less susceptable to enduring, intractable conflicts than ours. I added the Belgian note only to demonstrate that it doesn't confer immunity. My central point was to note the vacuity of Thomas' argument and the greater relative significance of the multiple party systems generally prevailing among the major European powers.

I'm sure you understood that, and I do appreciate your amplification, extraneous though it is. Wink
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 11:28 am
@georgeob1,
(Ha! You forgot to tell me that I'm a ...... Wink )

But I agree: the German one is less susceptable to enduring, intractable conflicts than yours.
(As is the Belgian.)
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 11:56 am
@spendius,
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Only psychopaths have the will and the stamina to seek power


That is not completely true because it is missing a few words!
Only psychopaths have the will and the stamina to seek power without regards to all fellow men. They lack empathy and sympathy and when a person lacks those characteristics then there are no moral hurdles that stand in their way!

It allows for all sorts of corruption like nepotism and the so forth, it is not that they are smarter just more corrupt!
 

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