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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 04:58 pm
@Irishk,
Then there was the child's toy screwdriver that kept my new (!!) toilet from home depot working poorly. Our a2k albuquerque home repair guy had to take the system apart.. Apparently it was a toilet returned to the store by the parent of a small boy.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 10:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, It was a wild guess on Obama's part. There is no economist who can predict future unemployment rates; NONE!
Unfortunately, too many of Obama's policies are based upon "wild guesses." imposter. I would far prefer a president that governed with prudence and skill than with "wild guesses."
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 8 May, 2011 05:15 am
@okie,
More like Wild Ass Guesses (WAGs)
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 8 May, 2011 02:06 pm
Good afternoon. A few pages ago (pg 197) I wrote about energy subsidies. My source is Jeffrey Leonard writing in the Jan/Feb 2011 Washington Monthly. I trust his numbers but I disagree with some of his conclusions.
He argues that the government should end subsides to every form of energy production. I printed out 6 pages of his article and realized he is talking about a mere $20Bn a year. Chump change.
The stars may be aligning for Obama on this. Gas at the pump keeps rising while oil companies record big incomes. Oil prices fall 13% last week but gas at the pump comes down much more slowly. The Teaparty and others want to cut spending.
But I doubt it will happen over this $20Bn issue. Too many congressmen see energy subsidies helping their constituents and donors.
"I have a great idea," one or more of them will say. "Let's study this until, say, after the next election."
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 8 May, 2011 02:09 pm
@realjohnboy,
nevah hoppen
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 8 May, 2011 07:48 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:
Oil prices fall 13% last week but gas at the pump comes down much more slowly.
The principle involved here is "it goes up like a rocket and drops like a feather."
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2011 03:32 pm
This story did not make NPR this afternoon so I assume it won't show up on commercial networks. The information is reported by Zillow.com, a private real estate analysis firm. I found other companies that provide numbers that compare closely to Zillow.
For the 1st quarter of 2011, home prices fell 3% (1.1% in March over February).
That marks the 57th straight month of declines (I did the math for you: June, 2006). June, 2006.
Thus far in 2011, prices have fallen 9%, and have dropped 30% since the decline began in July, 2006. July. 2006.
The total "value" of the slump is estimated at $10 Trillion.
28% of homeowner's claim their houses are underwater financially.

I have deliberately not commented on pinning the blame on any politician. I'll leave that to the spinmeisters here
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2011 03:37 pm
@realjohnboy,
Yea, that 28% of homeowners who are underwater has a long future ahead of more struggles. A good percentage of those will lose their homes. The drop in home prices for the next several years is a given - until we see some substantial improvement in jobs.

There are pockets like ours in California that have done relatively well, and our loss has not been in the 9% range for this year. There are still million dollar homes for sale; something we didn't have even one decade ago.

More high tech companies are hiring; I believe Google is expanding and hiring more workers.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2011 03:40 pm
@realjohnboy,
I won't spin or blame either. Home prices have been unrelated to incomes for years. They're falling, and they should.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2011 04:11 pm


Election Expected to Keep Turning on Economy Despite Bin Laden Killing

realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2011 05:32 pm
@H2O MAN,
I think the Fox article you cite in hardly new news. The bump President Obama got after the Osama killing will probably fade away by tomorrow or Wednesday.
Afghan and Iraq are pretty much off the radar and, unless something spectacular occurs in the mid-east or Northern Africa (which I have a higher level of probability of happening then most observers), foreign policy will fall off the table. That works for the Repubs, because in my opinion, many of them are weak there.
Some Repubs may pursue social issues such as abortion, gun rights, immigration, health care etc. But I don't see any of those things getting enough traction to build a campaign around.
So it will be all about the economy over the next 16 or 17 months. If Obama can get unemployment from 9% to 8% (U-3) without increasing inflation beyond 2% or so, he will probably win. 8.5% makes it a horse-race.
The interesting thing to me is that the Teaparty movement is keeping the politicians' toes to the fire. We can't allow these folks in Congress to keep kicking the ball down the field until after the next election. We have done that for years.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2011 05:37 pm
@realjohnboy,
Hi RJB,

I have an in-depth answer to your question re: condos v. apartments, brewing as we speak. I've been thinking about it a lot for the last few days and will respond soon.

Cycloptichorn
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2011 06:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Thanks. I look forward to reading it when you are ready to post it.
Some of my young employees chimed in as did some of the architecture students at UVA picking up stuff before there projects are due.
We know most of them on a 1st name basis, particularly in their 3rd, 4th or post grad years. We see a few 2nd year students and occasionally even a 1st year who come across as awesome potential architects. Part of their education, particularly recently, comes in urban design.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2011 07:35 pm
@realjohnboy,
Here's the latest deal in Washington DC. The government must approve increasing the debt limit, or it will rile our economy into a spiral that the Great Recession will look like kid's stuff. The GOP is demanding that the government cut spending for the amount of the debt increase, but that means the government must cut social security and Medicare.

I wonder who's going to play chicken until the last second before our government has to stop all spending?

I want the democrats to call the GOPs bluff of not approving the debt ceiling, because it's going to make everybody - including all investors - angry at the GOP for their stupidity.

It's going to end up costing billions in tax revenue.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2011 12:44 am
@cicerone imposter,
Dems= no balls. they will go where ever the repubs want them to go!
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2011 08:23 am
@RABEL222,
The okie/ican mode is to cry foul whenever bush is cited for the damage he has done this country. What they choose to ignore is the hype that bush laid out about "reaching across the aisle," a meme of his presidency that was given lipservice only.

Obama has been reaching across the aisle, to his and our detriment. For a time, I thought of using, "Grow a pair, Barack," as a signature.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2011 08:26 am
@plainoldme,
Yawn...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2011 09:15 am
@RABEL222,
Yeah, in that regard Obama has no balls; we don't know when and how much he'll bend with the GOP.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2011 09:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
I am more concerned with how much further Obama will force the American tax payer bed over before he leaves office after the 2012 election.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2011 09:35 am
Running in the red: How the U.S., on the road to surplus, detoured to massive debt

By Lori Montgomery, Published: April 30

The nation’s unnerving descent into debt began a decade ago with a choice, not a crisis.

In January 2001, with the budget balanced and clear sailing ahead, the Congressional Budget Office forecast ever-larger annual surpluses indefinitely. The outlook was so rosy, the CBO said, that Washington would have enough money by the end of the decade to pay off everything it owed.

Voices of caution were swept aside in the rush to take advantage of the apparent bounty. Political leaders chose to cut taxes, jack up spending and, for the first time in U.S. history, wage two wars solely with borrowed funds. “In the end, the floodgates opened,” said former senator Pete Domenici (R-N.M.), who chaired the Senate Budget Committee when the first tax-cut bill hit Capitol Hill in early 2001.

Now, instead of tending a nest egg of more than $2 trillion, the federal government expects to owe more than $10 trillion to outside investors by the end of this year. The national debt is larger, as a percentage of the economy, than at any time in U.S. history except for the period shortly after World War II.

Polls show that a large majority of Americans blame wasteful or unnecessary federal programs for the nation’s budget problems. But routine increases in defense and domestic spending account for only about 15 percent of the financial deterioration, according to a new analysis of CBO data.

The biggest culprit, by far, has been an erosion of tax revenue triggered largely by two recessions and multiple rounds of tax cuts. Together, the economy and the tax bills enacted under former president George W. Bush, and to a lesser extent by President Obama, wiped out $6.3 trillion in anticipated revenue. That’s nearly half of the $12.7 trillion swing from projected surpluses to real debt. Federal tax collections now stand at their lowest level as a percentage of the economy in 60 years.

Big-ticket spending initiated by the Bush administration accounts for 12 percent of the shift. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars have added $1.3 trillion in new borrowing. A new prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients contributed another $272 billion. The Troubled Assets Relief Program bank bailout, which infuriated voters and led to the defeat of several legislators in 2010, added just $16 billion — and TARP may eventually cost nothing as financial institutions repay the Treasury.
Obama’s 2009 economic stimulus, a favorite target of Republicans who blame Democrats for the mounting debt, has added $719 billion — 6 percent of the total shift, according to the new analysis of CBO data by the nonprofit Pew Fiscal Analysis Initiative.

All told, Obama-era choices account for about $1.7 trillion in new debt, according to a separate Washington Post analysis of CBO data over the past decade. Bush-era policies, meanwhile, account for more than $7 trillion and are a major contributor to the trillion-dollar annual budget deficits that are dominating the political debate.

As Congress prepares this week to launch a high-stakes battle over whether to raise the legal limit on borrowing, the analyses offer a clearer view of the drivers of the debt — and of the difficulty of re-balancing the budget without new tax revenue.

Most Republicans reject raising taxes as part of the solution; House Speaker John A. Boehner (Ohio) has called it a “non-starter.” But Democrats won’t go for a proposal based solely on spending cuts. The“Gang of Six,” a bipartisan Senate group dedicated to debt reduction, is expected to unveil a strategy as soon as this week that couples sharp spending cuts with a rewrite of the tax code that would raise additional revenue.

(The debt ceiling, set at $14.3 trillion, covers all federal debt, including money the Treasury owes other federal entities, such as the Social Security trust fund. The CBO data focus on the portion of the debt borrowed from outside investors. The debt is the accumulation of annual deficits; if annual budgets are in surplus, the nation can pay down the debt.)

The annual surpluses that set the nation on this course emerged in the final years of the Clinton administration. In the typical American household, a surplus comes as welcome news. But the White House is not a typical household. When Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin saw the budget shift into the black in 1998, he immediately warned President Bill Clinton that, politically, it was a mixed blessing.

Rubin wanted to use the surplus to start repaying the debt, which was then just more than $3 trillion. The White House billed it as “saving Social Security first,” viewing the surplus as an opportunity to shore up the nation’s finances before huge numbers of the baby boom generation began claiming federal retirement benefits. “The problem was a whole other part of the political spectrum wanted to use the surplus for tax cuts,” Rubin said in an interview. “They said they wanted to give the people back their money. Of course, it was also the people’s debt.”

What to do with the surplus became a central issue of the 2000 presidential campaign, with Vice President Al Gore arguing that much of it should be put in a “lockbox” to protect Social Security and Medicare. Bush pushed for a broad tax cut, arguing that taxpayers at all income levels were owed a refund. “Some say that the growing federal surplus means Washington has more money to spend, but they’ve got it backwards,” Bush said as he accepted the GOP nomination in August 2000. “The surplus is not the government’s money. The surplus is the people’s money.”

As soon as he took office, Bush pushed Congress to make good on his tax pledge. Less than a week after his inauguration, he got a boost from Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who testified before the Senate Budget Committee that “tax reduction appears required” to prevent the federal government from accumulating too much cash. Greenspan feared that large surpluses would turn the government into the nation’s largest investor, creating distortions in the markets.

A chorus of skeptics warned against spending the surplus. Some stressed the inherent uncertainty of the CBO projections. Others said a big tax cut would unleash pent-up desire in both parties to pursue expensive priorities without the pay-as-you-go restraints that had helped produce the surplus.

Congress approved a $1.35 trillion tax cut in record time. A second package, worth $350 billion, followed in 2003. Together, they constituted one of the largest tax cuts since World War II, according to the conservative Tax Foundation.

Bush’s first Treasury secretary, Paul O’Neill, resigned after the White House decided to pursue the 2003 measure. “I believed we needed the money to facilitate fundamental tax reform and begin working on unfunded liabilities for Social Security and Medicare,” O’Neill said in an interview. But the White House, he said, was focused on improving economic growth for the fourth quarter of 2004. “They wanted to make sure economic conditions were great going into the president’s reelection.”

Proponents of tax cuts argue that the legislation merely returned tax collections to their appropriate levels. They note that the CBO’s 2001 forecast assumed that tax collections would stay above 20 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product (defined as the total of all economic output) — well above the historic average of 18 percent of GDP.

“It’s not obvious that America was ready to have taxes at a level this high persistently,” said Donald Marron, a former CBO director who now heads the nonprofit Tax Policy Center. “Some degree of tax cutting was inevitable.”

But some key advocates of the tax cuts now say such a large reduction was probably ill-advised.

“Nobody would have thought that all these things would have happened after you cut taxes,” Domenici said. “That you’d have two wars and not pay for them. That you’d have another recession. A huge extravaganza of expenditures” for the military and homeland security after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. “You would pause before you did it, if you knew.”

Bill Thomas, the former House Ways and Means Committee chairman who helped shepherd the tax cuts through Congress, defended the 2003 package as “fuel for the economy.” But he said in an interview that the 2001 measure was larded with “stuff that I was not all that wild about,” including bipartisan priorities such as a big increase in the child tax credit and a break for married couples — provisions Thomas believes did little to promote economic growth and amounted to “throwing money out the window.”

“I couldn’t do anything about it,” said Thomas, a California Republican who retired in 2006. “You’re the candy man when you advocate those kinds of tax cuts.”

In the end, Bush cut taxes and spent more money. Good times masked the impact, as surging tax revenues reduced the size of year-to-year deficits during the first three years of his second term. But after the economy collapsed during Bush’s final year in office, deficits — and therefore the debt — began to explode as Obama sought to revive economic activity with more tax cuts and federal spending.

Today, the CBO forecasts are unrelievedly gloomy, showing huge deficits essentially forever. As policymakers grapple with the legacy of the past decade, a demographic wave of senior citizens is crashing at their doorstep, driving up the cost of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
William Hoagland, who was for years a top budget aide to Domenici and other GOP Senate leaders, said it is simplistic to think today’s fiscal problems began just 10 years ago. In 1976, as a young CBO analyst, Hoagland produced a long-term simulation that showed entitlement costs gradually overwhelming the rest of the federal budget.

“This situation really goes back to long before [the Bush administration], which is to say to old dead men that have long left the Congress,” he said.
Still, Hoagland said, the abandonment of fiscal discipline in the wake of the surpluses clearly didn’t help. “Nobody pushed for paying for this stuff,” he said. Not even after “it became very clear in the middle of 2003 that the line had turned on us. And the surpluses as far as the eye could see were no longer there.”




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