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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 16 Apr, 2011 05:10 am
@talk72000,
A man has to know his limitations
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 16 Apr, 2011 07:38 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
A man has to know his limitations


If that statement were part of a syllogism about you, then we would be forced to conclude -- depending upon how the statement were set up -- either that you are not a man or that you have no idea what your limits are.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 16 Apr, 2011 07:39 am
@RABEL222,
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No I dont. I look more like 90 and feel 1oo!


The problem with your statement is that I can not answer it. Hugs to you.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 16 Apr, 2011 07:41 am
@RABEL222,
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You mean you kept back $23,331. How are that 10% of the rich going to get ahead with you holding out on them?


I am sooooo selfish!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 16 Apr, 2011 09:21 am
@plainoldme,
POM, once again your tiny liberal brain severely limits your ability to conjure up a rational thought.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 07:59 pm
@H2O MAN,
Hey H2OMAN, I notice you have the fairtax web address below your signature. Are you gettin on board with that? If so, good news!! I've liked the idea for a good long time for several reasons. This country needs bold new tax reform to fix the enormous economic mess we are in. There are tons of reasons why this proposal should be seriously considered. What we need is a powerful spokesman and leader on the conservative side to lead the way. Huckabee last time around just could not get anywhere with it.

We need to make sure we do not end up with both an income and sales tax both however, and the value added tax would be even worse.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 06:42 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Hey H2OMAN, I notice you have the fairtax web address below your signature. Are you gettin on board with that? If so, good news!! I've liked the idea for a good long time for several reasons. This country needs bold new tax reform to fix the enormous economic mess we are in. There are tons of reasons why this proposal should be seriously considered. What we need is a powerful spokesman and leader on the conservative side to lead the way. Huckabee last time around just could not get anywhere with it.

We need to make sure we do not end up with both an income and sales tax both however, and the value added tax would be even worse.


Yes sir!

I think the adoption and implementation of The FairTax Plan is the very best way to restore and grow this countries economy. It would bring back US dollars that are currently working offshore to avoid huge tax penalties... other countries would flock to the US and set-up shop here instead of some remote non-US location... it's all good and I don't see a downside to The FairTax Plan.

Neal Boortz is probably the very best source of information - - http://www.boortz.com/
okie
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 09:21 am
@H2O MAN,
Agreed. I have heard Boortz talk about this. To expand on it, it would make all manufacturers, regardless of location, play by the same rules in regard to how their products and services are taxed in this country. It might cause one of the biggest economic booms ever, because we could once again make thousands of our own consumer goods here that are currently made offshore and avoid the same kinds of taxes. The Fair tax also taxes everyone avoiding income tax, such as illegals, drug dealers, and other scammers.

And although the tax rate could seem high, everyone has much more money in their pocket before they buy, plus the products will come to the shelf at a much lower price, so the consumer can stand to come out just as good or maybe better than under the same cumbersome system. Part of the good news is to get rid of the IRS as we know it. Every year at this time, I am always amazed at how stupid and convoluted the tax returns are. Wouldn't it be nice to get rid of it?

Part of the beauty is the infrastructure is already in place, as almost everywhere in this country the states and local collect sales tax to support their local governments, so it is a simple matter with barcoding and collection. Instead of riding herd on hundreds of millions of people, we need to watch fewer retailers, and the vast majority of business is done by just a few of them. And the local taxing authorities are already watching things and would help, because they also have a big stake in collecting sales tax.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 09:42 am
@okie,
okie.. you and ican don't seem to remember your argument from one day to the next. Or maybe you can't think unless you are told what to think by a RW pundit.

Are unions going away if we implement the Fair tax? (Or have you never argued that jobs left because of the unions?)
Will the price of labor in the US drop to $5 a day if we implement the Fair tax?
Taxes are not a large part of the cost of any product.

Get a brain and learn to think for yourself okie. Stop listening to Rush, Hannity, Boortz etc.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 09:53 am
@okie,
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It might cause one of the biggest economic booms ever, because we could once again make thousands of our own consumer goods here that are currently made offshore and avoid the same kinds of taxes.


Is there any evidence that businesses offshore to avoid taxes? I doubt it. What they are REALLY looking to avoid is regulation. And that doesn't change under any tax plan.

Cycloptichorn
plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 09:57 am
Surely the depressed state of the economy has triggered a boom in one area: debt collections.

I was glad to see someone take on the collection business:

http://www.alternet.org/story/150638/%27am_i_going_to_have_to_kill_you%27%3A_the_horrific_ways_abusive_debt_collectors_threaten_and_harass_their_victims?akid=6849.273162.SHFEtl&rd=1&t=2

BTW, a friend, desperate for work, interviewed with a collection agency and was hired. He took their training program which consisted of how to lie to those targeted for collection and how to threaten them. He quit during the training session.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 09:59 am
@Cycloptichorn,
They avoid BOTH taxes and over regulation, both of them big factors.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 10:58 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Agreed. I have heard Boortz talk about this. To expand on it, it would make all manufacturers, regardless of location, play by the same rules in regard to how their products and services are taxed in this country. It might cause one of the biggest economic booms ever, because we could once again make thousands of our own consumer goods here that are currently made offshore and avoid the same kinds of taxes. The Fair tax also taxes everyone avoiding income tax, such as illegals, drug dealers, and other scammers.

And although the tax rate could seem high, everyone has much more money in their pocket before they buy, plus the products will come to the shelf at a much lower price, so the consumer can stand to come out just as good or maybe better than under the same cumbersome system. Part of the good news is to get rid of the IRS as we know it. Every year at this time, I am always amazed at how stupid and convoluted the tax returns are. Wouldn't it be nice to get rid of it?

Part of the beauty is the infrastructure is already in place, as almost everywhere in this country the states and local collect sales tax to support their local governments, so it is a simple matter with barcoding and collection. Instead of riding herd on hundreds of millions of people, we need to watch fewer retailers, and the vast majority of business is done by just a few of them. And the local taxing authorities are already watching things and would help, because they also have a big stake in collecting sales tax.



His interview with Laffer today needs to be heard by everyone.

BTW, even though Laffer helped Brown with his flat tax plan, Arthur Betz Laffer loves The FairTax Plan.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 11:01 am
Standard & Poor's predicts grim outlook on U.S. economy as stocks react by taking a dive.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 11:27 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

Standard & Poor's predicts grim outlook on U.S. economy as stocks react by taking a dive.

It sure is a good thing the GOP is threatening to not raise the US debt ceiling.
Hey.. maybe they can totally crash the economy if they keep this up.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 11:30 am
@parados,
The Standard and Poor must not communicate with the best economists in our country, because the majority supports the idea that our economy will grow by 2% this year.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 11:32 am
@H2O MAN,
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Standard & Poor's predicts grim outlook on U.S. economy as stocks react by taking a dive.
You failed to complete the thought. S&P is giving this signal as a means to stir the pot so that a budget agreemnet can be achieved that keeps the economy working but begins trimming deficits.


POX ON BOTH THE GOP AND DEMS, THEY ARE ALLPLAYING POLITICS . Our economy is a boat with a major hole in the hull and Congress is arguing about which buckets to bail with.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 11:37 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The Standard and Poor must not communicate with the best economists in our country, because the majority supports the idea that our economy will grow by 2% this year.


Listening to the majority doesn't mean someone's listening to the best.

~~~

I'd definitely be impressed to see any real growth from the U.S. economy in 2011.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 11:38 am
@farmerman,
farmerman, You got that right! Obama has no backbone, and will sway with the threats. The GOP uses these threats to get Obama to bend their way. Their political gamesmanship is destroying this country.

From today's San Jose Mercury News.
Quote:

Poll: US economy improving despite global events
The Associated Press

Updated: 04/18/2011 03:28:24 AM PDT

WASHINGTON—Economists say the U.S. economy is gaining strength despite political unrest in North Africa and the Middle East and last month's devastating earthquake and tsunami in Japan.

A survey from the National Association for Business Economics finds that economists are hopeful that the broader economy is substantially improving, with rising employment reported for the fifth quarter in a row. The survey found that "companies appear to be positioning themselves for a firming economic environment," said Shawn DuBravac, an economist with the Consumer Electronics Association, who analyzed the findings.

The outlook for employment rose slightly, reaching a 12-year high. No firms reported significant layoffs, with the only reductions coming from already planned cuts.

Sales increased for the third consecutive quarter, profit margins continued to improve and the number of economists whose firms increased spending over the previous quarter held steady. Nearly all of the 72 economists surveyed, about 94 percent, now expect the economy to grow at least 2 percent in 2011.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 11:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

farmerman, You got that right! Obama has no backbone, and will sway with the threats.


Those of us that did not drink the Kool-Aid and did not vote for "you can call me Barry" knew he had no backbone, but for the life of me, I can't understand why those of you that voted this turd into office didn't.

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