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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 01:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie also said that Obama paled around with communists, and even recruited some into his administration. That'll be gravy in a court of law where okie accuses our president of being a communist.
What I said is absolute fact, ci. To be accurate about what I have said, ci, I have recognized the fact that Obama has connections and friendships with Marxists. Whether Obama himself is a communist, not an easy question to answer because he is not an open book and is not open about his foundational beliefs, but millions of people believe as I do that he probably has Marxist sympathies. Otherwise, why would he befriend them and admire them, and why would he attempt to appoint some to his administration? Common sense, ci, try using it. I am surprised that you are unaware of Obama's history? At least you talk as if it is myth or made up. It is not made up. If you had followed the exposes in the news by the alternate media, you would be well aware of most of the connections, and it would perhaps help you understand why Obama is attempting to govern as he has so far.

There are tons of references out there, ci, but I will post one here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/why_obamas_communist_connectio.html

"What does it all mean for November 2008? It means that millions of modern Americans, when they hear that Barack Obama has deep roots with communist radicals like Bill Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis, don't care; they don't get it. Moreover, the leftist establishment -- from academia to media to Hollywood -- will not help them get it. To the contrary, the left responds to these accusations by not only downplaying or dismissing them but by ridiculing or even vilifying them, given the left's reflexive anti-anti-communism. The left will create bad guys out of the anti-communists who are legitimately blowing the whistle on the real bad guys.
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Moderates especially need to be informed that Barack Obama is not your typical liberal: he is the most hard-left Democrat that his party has ever nominated for the presidency. It is absolutely not a coincidence that the man with these far-left associations just so happens to be ranked -- quantifiably, objectively, by non-partisan, respected sources like National Journal -- the most far-left member of the U.S. Senate, which is no small thing given the leftward drift of the modern Democratic Party. In other words, Obama's extremist associations matter; they are fully revealing, illustrative of the political-ideological realities that the pro-Obama media will not expose. His voting record bears this out.

That said, I warn my fellow conservatives: Be prepared to be really, really frustrated when few people seem to care."

.......
parados
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:01 pm
@okie,
Anyone that spends time here sees the connection between you an ican, okie.

I surprised you are ignorant of that connection. It's obvious to anyone willing to look.
okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:03 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
I do not admit to doing something I did not do, which, despite having cut and pasted my original remark you do not recognize because you read at the middle school level.

You misinterpreted what I wrote. You and your right wing friends love to ridicule left wing women as frigid man-haters when nothing could be further from the truth.

I mix up nothing. I could read better than you can today when I was in sixth grade and I remember what I write. Perhaps, because my memory is stronger than yours; perhaps, because I do not have sock puppets; perhaps, due to all of the above.
Then your credibility is zero, zilch, pom. You make accusations you cannot prove or back up with any evidence whatsoever. You would be well advised to realize that if you are going to accuse, you need evidence or facts on your side. You should not merely post your imaginations here, okay?
parados
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:04 pm
@okie,
Ah yes.. the "dots". Someone says there is a connection between Obama and Alinsky so that makes it true. We can ignore the fact that Obama never met Alinsky in real life it seems.

So..
Someone has said you are connected to ican so it must be true.
We can ignore the fact that you claim to not know ican personally since that is the standard for Obama and Alinsky.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:05 pm
@parados,
What is more telling is the simple fact that okie-ican support each other 100% of the time, and they are the only two cogs on a2k.

If that isn't enough cause for them to question their own position on so many topics, it makes one wonder how they survive in the "real" world. They don't have balance; 100% negative opinions about liberals and Obama.

They lack reality. Even enemies have something that can be agreed upon.
okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
One thing I can say with confidence, ci, I am on much more solid ground to agree with ican much of the time, than you are to support the radical liberal pom and staunch Obama apologist parados. I can even agree with cyclops sometimes, but boy is it tough to ever agree with pom or parados ever!!!!
parados
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:18 pm
@okie,
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One thing I can say with confidence, ci, I am on much more solid ground to agree with ican much of the time

And yet another dot okie..
You actually say you agree with ican.
okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:20 pm
@parados,
I agree with him some of the time, perhaps even much of the time on some threads, but not all the time. I would guess that ican feels the same toward me? I am not ashamed of agreeing with other conservatives.

I do not know ican personally, so if I were a politician I probably would not launch my political career in his home. In contrast, remember what Obama did, he launched his political career in the home of staunch anti-Americans, terrorists, Marxists, and anti-capitalists, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrne.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/04/27/obamas_mainstream_friends/
okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:28 pm
@parados,
Good work, parados, are you catching on. I am a conservative. Are you a Marxist sympathizer? Keep connecting the dots, parados, and you might one day see the light?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:29 pm
@okie,
The people you named fought for a better America. They were hardly anti-Americans, although they were anti-LBJ and Nixon.
okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:29 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
You actually say you agree with ican.
I said I agree with him some of the time. Just so you have it straight. I know you would never think of twisting something out of context, would you parados?
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:30 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
The people you named fought for a better America. They were hardly anti-Americans, although they were anti-LBJ and Nixon.
The weathermen fought for a better America? Are you nuts, Advocate? They were terrorists and subversives.

The radicals on this forum never cease to amaze me.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 04:02 pm
@okie,
You are such an idiot. Don't you realize that LBJ and Nixon were war criminals who effectively killed over three million people in Nam? There should have been even more objectors willing to put their lives on the line to stop this. It is nonsense to call them terrorists. In fact, they were patriots.
okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 04:14 pm
@Advocate,
Sadly, I think you are an example of the modern Democratic Party, Advocate. You represent the type of people that cannot be reasoned with. You must instead be defeated in the arena of political debate and at the ballot box. By the way, it was Nixon that inherited the Vietnam War. He had nothing to do with its creation and in fact he was the president that presided over the ending of the war.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 04:32 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
By the way, it was Nixon that inherited the Vietnam War. He had nothing to do with its creation and in fact he was the president that presided over the ending of the war.


Really? Didn't he suggest that the United States might have to "put American boys in" and use tactical nuclear weapons in support of the French? (In the early 50's)
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 04:38 pm
Even mainstreamers are becoming more pessimistic than I have been over the last few years....
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The U.S. has not just misplaced its priorities. When the most powerful country ever to inhabit the earth finds it so easy to plunge into the horror of warfare but almost impossible to find adequate work for its people or to properly educate its young, it has lost its way entirely.

Nearly 14 million Americans are jobless and the outlook for many of them is grim. Since there is just one job available for every five individuals looking for work, four of the five are out of luck. Instead of a land of opportunity, the U.S. is increasingly becoming a place of limited expectations. A college professor in Washington told me this week that graduates from his program were finding jobs, but they were not making very much money, certainly not enough to think about raising a family.

There is plenty of economic activity in the U.S., and plenty of wealth. But like greedy children, the folks at the top are seizing virtually all the marbles. Income and wealth inequality in the U.S. have reached stages that would make the third world blush. As the Economic Policy Institute has reported, the richest 10 percent of Americans received an unconscionable 100 percent of the average income growth in the years 2000 to 2007, the most recent extended period of economic expansion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/26/opinion/26herbert.html?hp


Bob Herbert....Former NYT's columnist.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 04:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
And it's in a climate where conservatives continues to advocate for less taxes for the rich while the middle class and poor lose purchasing power. It only ends up cutting public services and the proper environment for our children's education and future.

The greedy don't see the destruction, but over 90% of Americans are not as secure as we/they once were. Even college grads have difficulty finding jobs, and when they do find a job, their pay and benefits will not allow them to live the middle class lifestyle of the past. The idea of marriage and children are being discouraged through the destruction of the middle class in America.

okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 05:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
okie wrote:
By the way, it was Nixon that inherited the Vietnam War. He had nothing to do with its creation and in fact he was the president that presided over the ending of the war.
Really?
Yes, really. JFK escalated the insertion of "advisors" into Vietnam, then LBJ essentially created our full involvement by trumping up the Gulf of Tonkin incident and then greatly expanding our involvement with hundreds of thousands of ground troops, reaching more than 500,000 by the end of his presidency. Nixon inherited this situation when he took office in 1969, and his leadership led to a peace accord signed in 1973, leading to an end in hostilities.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 07:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I bought a pair of shoes today, I guess you would call them casual athletic shoes, at Walmart, where I've virtually never bought shoes up until this point, but price and availability finally led me to check Walmart. I could not find any not made in China, at least the ones that seemed to fit my liking, design, and fit.

Further thoughts are as follows. I paid not quite $30, plus tax, for a pair labeled Dr. Scholls. Apparently an American company, Brown Shoes headquartered in St. Louis, Mo, having shoes made in China in order to be able to compete. If we eliminated all income tax and corporate taxes and lightened the burden of regulation in this country, then charged retail sales tax on all products such as shoes sold in this country, we could create a level playing field and I would bet we could bring back domestic manufacturing in this country, including in the clothing / shoes and / or textile industry. Even if sales tax was approximately 20 to 25%, I could still purchase those shoes for a reasonable price of $35 to $40 and very possibly I could find some made right here in the United States. Wouldn't that be nice? Not only that, but I would not be the only one that would be several thousand dollars richer to shop for stuff in the stores this year. After all, I paid several thousand in income tax for 2010, and I don't see anything being done by the government to create jobs, etc. (Except to expand government and create even larger deficits).

The point of my post is that I believe it is time for bold ideas to be aired, to hopefully fix a very serious economic problem that we have. The time has come to consider scrapping a broken income tax system in favor of something better that would still collect the revenue but would stimulate domestic manufacturing in a very big way. I believe we are better than having everything made in China. Where is the good old American "Can do" attitude? I think it is still there if government would get out of the way and quit penalizing our ingenuity and energy.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 08:10 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

I bought a pair of shoes today, I guess you would call them casual athletic shoes, at Walmart, where I've virtually never bought shoes up until this point, but price and availability finally led me to check Walmart. I could not find any not made in China, at least the ones that seemed to fit my liking, design, and fit.


Check out New Balance - they make the best athletic shoes you can get that are made in America.

Cycloptichorn
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