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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 06:23 pm
@spendius,
You are evading the question. OK by me, but don't pretend otherwise.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 07:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I do have to admit that Spendius gets it correct at times like this quote of his![Generally speaking, if the editor has a large mortgage the paper will be opposed to raising interest rates ]
What do you think cicerone imposter?

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 07:28 pm
@H2O MAN,
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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.


The man who spoke these words so eloquently was non other than Barack Obama.

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Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 08:26 pm
The feds are hell-bent on buying back $600 billion in bonds by claiming that will keep interest rates down.

How do they arrive at these ideas? If you circulate more money into the marketplace where goods and services are not expanding, that will create INFLATION. It means more money in circulation than the available goods and services in the marketplace. That's Economics 101.

Both Greenspan and Bernanke belong in prison where they'll do no harm.

From the WSJ:
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Fed Stands by Bond Purchases as Long-Term Rates Rise

BY LUCA DI LEO

Federal Reserve officials were unfazed by a rise in long-term interest rates at their December policy meeting, noting that rates were increasing partly because the U.S. economy was getting stronger, as they had hoped would happen, according to minutes of the meeting released Tuesday.

Officials also expressed a commitment to a controversial $600 billion Treasury bond-buying program, announced in November. It is aimed at holding interest rates down and spurring economic growth. The program, which runs through June, is also meant to drive investors into riskier investments, ...


The economy is "stronger?" Based on a tick up in the holiday retail sales and more GM cars? This economy has over 25 million unemployed, and most governments are still laying off workers and cutting hours of work.

From the NYT (Feb 2010):
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And the pool of pending foreclosures is so large that it is likely to be a drag on the market for years.


I don't see any uptick in hiring in the US; until that happens, our economy will drag for many years to come. Fool-hearty government stats sends the wrong message about "improving economy" when hiring can't even meet demand of high school and college graduates.





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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 09:50 pm
@okie,
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He is a news commentator, good guy that does good work, and very sane, probably far more sane than many posters here.


This explains loads - you bow down in der fuehrer's face.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 05:23 am
@georgeob1,
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You are evading the question. OK by me, but don't pretend otherwise.


I don't think I evaded the question. I gave it a blunt answer in fact. Nothing is balanced.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 05:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
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You should try climbing into the current century by reading and listening to media; but you still must use caution before you believe everything you see or hear.


There's nothing new under the sun. People are people. The same principles of rhetoric and disinformation apply now as did in the Roman Empire. Mr Beck, in what I saw, liberally applied the Argumentum ex Absurdo, the Argumentum ex Fortiori, the Argumentum Fistulatorium, the Argumentum ad Crumenam and a mild version of the Argumentum ad Allium Cepa.

He came over as the Billy Graham of political science. The Back to Basics argument with the usual Fabian weakness of saying what should be done without bothering to explain how it is to be done or what you get if it is done.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 10:06 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

parados wrote:
You don't solve problems by finding who to blame okie. You especially don't solve problems when you assign blame without facts.
You certainly do not solve problems until you correctly identify the problem. The problem is overspending and the creation of huge entitlements, which now comprise much of the budget.
OK, that's a start but not much of a start. Which programs? Why don't we need them? What will happen if you eliminate them? You haven't identified anything about the problem okie.

Instead of examining the problem in detail you veer off to this...


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Obama is in process of creating more entitlements as we speak, one called Obamacare. Another was Bush's Prescription Drug Plan, so big spending Republicans are also part of the cause the problem. We need to avoid electing Democrats because most of them are big spenders, and we also need to avoid electing big spending Republicans. We need conservatives that believe in balanced budgets, thats who we need.
You didn't define the problem okie. You made a vague statement then tried to create blame without any real definition of the problem. That means you won't create a workable solution since you haven't defined the problem in any detail.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 10:31 am
@parados,
Bush wouldn't have had a budget problem - at all - if he hadn't a) started a useless and expensive war in Afghanistan and b) enacted two wasteful and totally unnecessary tax cuts. What threw our books out of alignment was the drop in revenues, more so than any increase in spending.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:31 am
@spendius,
spendi wrote:
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There's nothing new under the sun. People are people. The same principles of rhetoric and disinformation apply now as did in the Roman Empire.


That explains why you're still living in the past century. Times have changed - in most of this world - both economically and politically. There have been several wars that impact peoples lives. Science is on the cusp of learning more about homo sapiens through their discovery of older bones/teeth.

Math and science are popular subjects in most developing countries, and IT continues to bring out more products with heavy demand.

The divisions between the have and have nots are creating a greater divide; more at the top continue to grow their wealth while the middle class and poor struggle to stay above water.

Many middle class families have lost their jobs and homes.
Many towns that grew like crazy during the past several years are now ghost towns. Most home owners find the equity in their homes are worth less than their mortgage.

We have a political party in the US that believes taxing the wealthy more is transferring wealth to the poor - all while our national debt grows, and the interest payments take up more of the governments budget. All while tax revenues drop from this Great Recession.

Greed has taken over many people's psyche, and they commit fraud to enrich themselves and their companies. Some individuals have gotten away with billions of other people's money - many lost their life savings.

It's a mad, mad, mad, world out there - and you remain a recluse from information.







H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:44 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Horse ****! That's all we get from Cyclo, horse ****.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 12:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
All that stuff has been going on for over 2000 years ci. Different names. Same principles.

Staying above water is a relative term.

What do you want information from a mad, mad, mad world for? Won't it drive you mad?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 12:10 pm
@spendius,
That's because we as humans love war and creating wealth. Yes, the names of people and wars change, but that is precisely why we are in the living today rather than 2,000 years ago. Human curiosity is about knowing what's going on today; that's more important than past history, because there's nothing we can do about what's done and gone.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 02:27 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
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He is a news commentator, good guy that does good work, and very sane, probably far more sane than many posters here.

This explains loads - you bow down in der fuehrer's face.
Get lost, farmer. You libs are bowing down to your fuehrers a thousand times more than any conservative. Hitler was a lib, clearly, he was big government, bit Statist, and all the rest. Beck is the opposite of that. Last I checked, Beck has made no effort to tell me what to do, but Democrats are hard at work trying to do that. You can make many insults, but I am not tolerating that one.
BillW
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 02:34 pm
@okie,
Cause, you can't handle the truth - you have been assimulated fool!
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 09:09 pm
@okie,
Tiresome.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 09:23 pm
@okie,
From an article published on August 6, 2009:
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American Psycho and extreme right wingnut Glenn Beck has gone beyond the pale, even for him. He is now comparing the current Healthcare bill with Nazi eugenics which ultimately culminated in the holocaust. Beck is a LIAR when he claims the bill contains verbiage which says the government will decide who will live or who will die. He is attempting to scare only the most gullible when he spews his insanity saying the bill will kill old people, the insane and those deemed "not worthy of living." There is NO LANGUAGE like that in the bill. Beck is just making it up in his sick, demented, racist mind.


Just because Beck tell you directly what to do or not, he's a goddam liar and scare-mongerer of the worst kind in this country.

As the article says, Beck is a demented racist without ethics or conscience.

And you love the guy. Shows your true character.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 09:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
My son and I are chatting on IM about people who enjoy being lied to and then can not accept the truth when a lie is demonstrated to be false. I can't remember the name of the syndrome. okie seems to suffer from it.

BillW
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 09:38 pm
@plainoldme,
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I can't remember the name of the syndrome


I think it is called NeoConservatism - or RightWingism
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 09:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I listened to Beck one time, when he first came on the radio here, about 6 months ago. I got thru about 30 minutes of his show, then I had to turn it off.
I never did figure out if he was serious with the crap he was saying, or if it was all some sort of sick joke being perpetrated by him.
Either way, I have not listened to him since.
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