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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 11:08 pm
@plainoldme,
I think it is eminent, and not at all iminent. Moreover there are limits on the power of government to seize property this way for the benefit of private developers.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 11:09 pm
@georgeob1,
Imminent
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 11:15 pm
@plainoldme,
Quote:
However, there is still imminent domain
Using that process to take private property in order to hand it over to the railroads (corporations) is technically possible but dicey, it tends to get very expensive as everyone heads to the courts to litigate. In Tacoma Washington we have had a couple blocks of downtown which is needed to extend commuter rail (Sounder) to Lakewood held up in litigation for years, as not only the property owners have standing to challenge the plan in court but seemingly so does just about every other individual, group, or government agency. Needless to say but the project is now many millions of dollars over the intended budget, to pay for study, litigation, and as inflation has caused the delay to raise other costs.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 11:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
That problem will be mitigated by using existing railroad tracks, and the building of above ground bridges where need be.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 05:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

California is now in the process of developing a high speed rail system from Sacramento to Los Angeles. I think the time is way past due, and the longer we wait, the more difficult it gets to build it. What surprises me is that the major cities that have implemented high speed/subway systems into their well developed cities such as Athens have proven to be well worth the cost.


That's cool as long as they don't use any federal funds.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 08:52 am
@H2O MAN,
They will be using the money that Wisconsin and some other states didn't want to use for rail projects.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 09:17 am
@parados,

That's unacceptable.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 10:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
And the cost of buying a right-of-way thru farmlands will be quite high.
Either that, or the state spend millions litigating for the land.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 11:21 am
@mysteryman,
If they use existing railways, how does that add right of way cost thru farmlands?
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 11:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
You mentioned building above ground bridges.
The footprint to build a bridge, and allow an access road for maintenance reasons is quite large.
The farmers wont want to give up any land without getting paid for it.
So, if the state tries to use eminent domain, they can probably expect a court fight.
If they try to pay for the right of way, the farmers will demand a pretty penny for it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 11:43 am
@mysteryman,
Above ground bridges are planned mostly in metropolitan areas. There's already a rail line between SF and Los Angeles, and Sacramento to SF. What farm land are you talking about?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 01:30 pm
High speed rail will require completely new and segregated road beds with grade separated intersections everywhere - i.e. lots of new land and very high cost.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 01:37 pm
@georgeob1,
High speed rail = Major Boondoggle
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 01:38 pm
@georgeob1,
Correct. But why does it work elsewhere?
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 01:39 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Very large government subsidies and relatively shorter distances between major terminals make it work in Europe.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 01:41 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
If I translate it correctly, you think that such is a "a project that wastes time and money".

So I may ask you why elsewhere exactly this is the main source for railway companies to earn money?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 01:43 pm
@georgeob1,
Our major railway company, Deutsche Bahn, had to finance it themselves. Similar in the UK.

Surely, it may be true for China.

But everywhere land is needed etc ...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 01:45 pm
@georgeob1,
The distance from Copenhagen to Madrid is over 1,200 miles. The distance between San Francisco to Los Angeles is 347 miles.

There will be some short distance stops between San Francisco and Los Angeles. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 01:51 pm
GEORGE SOROS AND HIS DEMOCRAT PARTY EMPLOYEES ARE ATTACKING AMERICA’S CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT AND AMERICA’S CAPITALIST ECONOMY

George Soros and his Democrat Party appear to believe their ends justify their means.

George Soros in his 1995 book, page 145, Soros on Soros, I do not accept the rules imposed by others. If I did, I would not be alive today. I am a law-abiding citizen, but I recognize that there are regimes that need to be opposed rather than accepted. And in periods of regime change, the normal rules don't apply. One needs to adjust one's behavior to the changing circumstances.

George Soros has owned and directed the Democrat Party since December 2004.

"Sam Hananel in his associated Press article, December 10, 2004,"] On December 9, 2004, Eli Pariser, who headed Soros's group Moveon PAC, boasted to his members, "Now the Democratic Party is our party. We bought it, we own it."

Soros … pushed for the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 which was intended to ban "soft money" contributions to federal election campaigns. Soros has responded that his donations to unaffiliated organizations do not raise the same corruption issues as donations directly to the candidates or political parties.

Soros gave $3 million to the Center for American Progress, committed $5 million to MoveOn, while he and his friend Peter Lewis each gave America Coming Together $10 million. (All were groups that worked to support Democrats in the 2004 election.)

George Soros has directed the members of the Democrat party to pass or continue legislation that violates the Constitution of the USA as lawfully amended. George Soros directed the federal government to adopt and/or continue the following such programs.

• Healthcare Reform:
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_US/us/Industries/health-care-providers/center-for-health-solutions/health-care-reform/index.htm?id=USGoogle_hcreform_310&gclid=CKLi6PKDzKUCFUN66wodrlBmlA
National health reform is here. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the reconciliation bill are law. Together, they will trigger sweeping changes and disruptions — some rather quickly and some over many years.
http://www.naturalnews.com/026733_health_health_care_healthcare.html
What's really in Obama's health care reform bill? Almost no one knows, and here's why: It's 1,017 pages long and written in an alien form of bureaucratic English that can barely be decoded by earthlings.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2300451/posts
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax."
• TARP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Assets_Relief_Program
The Troubled Asset Relief Program, commonly referred to as TARP, is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector which was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. It is the largest component of the government's measures in 2008 to address the subprime mortgage crisis. …
• Stimulus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, abbreviated ARRA (Pub.L. 111-5) and commonly referred to as the Stimulus or The Recovery Act, is an economic stimulus package enacted by the 111th United States Congress in February 2009.
• Fannie Mae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_may
The Federal National Mortgage Association (FNMA) (OTCBB: FNMA), commonly known as Fannie Mae, was set up as a stockholder-owned corporation chartered by Congress in 1968 as a government-sponsored enterprise (GSE), ..
• Freddie Mac:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mac
The Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (FHLMC), known as Freddie Mac (OTCBB: FMCC), is a public government sponsored enterprise (GSE), headquartered in the Tyson's Corner CDP in unincorporated Fairfax County, Virginia. …

The Constitution does not delegate power to the federal government to transfer wealth from those who earned it to those who did not and do not earn it. The Constitution does specify that the federal government can take a person’s property to provide for the common defense and the general welfare of the United States.

Amendment X (1791)
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Amendment V (1791)
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment XIII (1865). Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Article I. Section 8 (1789)
The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; …

George Soros’s Democrat Party adoption and and/or continuation of the previously listed programs (Healthcare Reform, TARP, Stimulus, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac) , are evidence that they are adhering to the enemies of the USA, giving them aid and comfort, and arethereby guilty of committing treason.

Article III (1791). Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

The Constitution of the USA as amended is part of the supreme law of the land.

Article VI
All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

George Soros has declared his intention to create a new world order through the suppression of the U.S. economy.
Quote:

http://sandrarose.com/2009/11/george-soros-plot-to-create-a-new-world-order-through-the-destruction-of-the-us-economy/
… George Soros … is a multibillionaire Globalist whose millions in political contributions financed Barack Obama’s campaign for president.
He is Obama’s biggest benefactor.
In this video, Soros basically tells America to stop resisting a New World Order and he’s hoping that China will lead the New World Order once the American economy [declines].
In other words, he’s telling us we should not resist the [decline] of our economy! … [Posted are] the highlights from his interview below in case you don’t have the time to watch the video. …
“…an orderly decline of the dollar is desirable”
“It’s ill-considered on the part of the United States to resist…”
“It is not necessarily in our interests to have the dollar as the sole world currency.”
“A decline in the value of the dollar is necessary in order to compensate for the fact that the U.S. economy will remain rather weak…”
“China will emerge as the motor replacing the U.S. consumer..”
“China will be the engine driving (the New World Order) forward, and the U.S. will be actually a drag that’s being pulled along through a gradual decline in the value of the dollar.”

georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 01:52 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
If I'm not mistaken when the British Government privatized its railroads they separated the entity that qwned the tracks and the entities owning and operating the trains. In any event they were government owned and operated for about 30 years after WWII.

Here, it is very difficult to run passenger rail transport profitably, based on the fares alone. Even urban rail systems require large subsidies to operate. This may reflect the greater preference of Americans for automobiles and/or our relatively lower taxes on petroleum. Finally our cities are generally less densely populated anf more spread out than European cities, making passenger rail transport a bit less attractive. Our cargo rail system is extensive and very efficient.
 

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