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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 02:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Your {Addressed to okie} arguments never make any sense, because you fail to understand the fundamentals on any topic.


He has the nerve to laugh at others. Reading an okie post all the way through is harmful to one's mental health.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 02:55 pm
@okie,
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Besides, is robbing all the wealth from anyone that has it and then spending it into oblivion, does that make sense? Absolutely none in my opinion.


A statement of support for Scrooge McDuck.


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Then quit planting more turnips.


Quit planting more . . . this from a man who prides himself on his common sense and intellect!

I grade my students on their use of logic. You wouldn't get a point. Come to think of it, you never get the point.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 03:33 pm
Please do not watch this if you are afraid of lead poisoning to the brain!

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClzxvExYzc


part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwKe_twvMhQ

part3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RafcoVzVMQ
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 04:36 pm
@okie,
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I suggest you learn how to quote people here

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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 04:42 pm
This story (audio will be available at 7:00 pm, ET; it is now 5:40 pm, ET) features a young man who wants to see his city, Saginaw, MI, become a new city.


I sincerely and seriously doubt that he is a conservative. He asks that everyone in Saginaw "own" the future of this city. Conservatives never take personal responsibility but would prefer that people in blighted areas like this simply starve to death.

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/19/132168299/finding-simon-garfunkels-america-in-saginaw-mich
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 05:00 pm
Could someone please apply some POM repellent to this thread?

Thank you Exclamation
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 10:38 pm
@H2O MAN,
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Could someone please apply some POM repellent to this thread?


That would be redundant: you're already here. There are few people more repellent than you.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2010 07:07 am
POM the pest is still here Rolling Eyes
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2010 01:22 pm
@plainoldme,
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This story (audio will be available at 7:00 pm, ET; it is now 5:40 pm, ET) features a young man who wants to see his city, Saginaw, MI, become a new city.

Saginaw was in the mid 80's already well on its way to becoming a wasteland, now it is a majority black glorified ghetto, with a median household income of less than $25K/year, average home values of around $55k, and triple to quadruple the average crime rate depending upon the year.

With Michigan in either a depression or recession for most for most of the last 20 years, and with its major city dying (Detroit) there is no hope for Saginaw.

Those who are able and who are smart leave, they dont stick around dreaming of a "new city" that will never happen.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2010 10:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Saginaw was in the mid 80's already well on its way to becoming a wasteland, now it is a majority black glorified ghetto, with a median household income of less than $25K/year, average home values of around $55k, and triple to quadruple the average crime rate depending upon the year.
A little over a decade from the advent of LBJ's Great Society policies, hawkeye. Policies have results. It is the policy's results, not the intents, that really count.
Here is a good starter for anyone interested in this.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1483206/posts
"LBJ's Great Society: 40 Years Later"
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"As bad as his failure in Vietnam proved to be, the results of his Great Society Programs were far more insidious, deadly and injurious to our Nation's psyche. The mammoth social welfare entitlement programs that streamed out of Washington did more damage to the fabric of our society than any number of Vietnams could have done. The irony is, that the segment of our society that it meant to help, was the one that was most grievously harmed. Of all those who fell victim to the welfare mentality, none suffered more than the black communities."
....
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2010 10:46 pm
@okie,
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A little over a decade from the advent of LBJ's Great Society policies, hawkeye. Policies have results. It is the policy's results, not the intents, that really count.


While everyone likes to have a whipping boy, it helps to be realistic when selecting one.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2010 11:07 pm
@okie,
okie, So, Johnson who passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a failure in your eyes? What that does say about the conservatives? They're interested in advancing the minorities to equal status?

georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 12:26 am
@cicerone imposter,
If that was the only salient event in the Johnson presidency I don't think anyone would call it a failure. Unfortunately for him, and for the country, it was not. In the end he couldn't even get the nomination of his own party for a second term, and withdrew from the contest. Would you call that a success? If so perhaps you could - to use a challenge you so often put to others - provide us with some convincing evidence of that success.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 08:36 am



Don't you just love liberals telling you how much of the money YOU earned you actually NEED?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 09:11 am
Don't you just love conservatives who commit the largest run-up of government spending in history and start horribly expensive elective wars and then put it all on the credit card rather than paying for it, and cut the taxes they'd need to pay for their profligacy, while almost destroying the economy of the world and fighting tooth and nail against any attempt to rein in those of their ilk who pay themselves multi-million dollar bonuses while gambling with our money and losing billions that belong to the rest of us?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 11:06 am
@georgeob1,
There are many failures of presidents, and that's not limited to the democrats. We're suffering now from GW Bush's missteps, and I'm talking about the whole world. Iraq was a mistake for everybody in this world, and we ended up killing tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis. Compared to Johnson's Vietnam, they're both criminals to humanity.

What did GW Bush stand as good for the American People? He had two terms to screw up most things political.

"I'm a uniter, not a divider." Do you believe that?
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 11:53 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
If that was the only salient event in the Johnson presidency I don't think anyone would call it a failure. Unfortunately for him, and for the country, it was not. In the end he couldn't even get the nomination of his own party for a second term, and withdrew from the contest. Would you call that a success? If so perhaps you could - to use a challenge you so often put to others - provide us with some convincing evidence of that success.
I am a firm believer in the old adage that unless we learn from history, we are bound to repeat it. I also believe that to learn from history, we must first accurately know what it was. This is important in regard to one of the most powerful 20th century Democrats in Washington, by the name of Lyndon Baines Johnson.
First, it is important to know that it was not a hidden fact that LBJ was one of the most corrupt and power hungry politicians in D.C. It is legendary how dead people helped elect LBJ to Congress. Even LBJ admitted this stuff went on to elect Democrats in Texas. Not only was he corrupt, but he was not above lying, that being evident by the trumped up Gulf of T0nkin incident to justify his expansion of the Vietnam War.
Secondly, LBJ was evidently a racist, as testified by friends and colleagues. His record in Congress also testifies to this. Only until he realized his power and the power of his Democratic Party could be enhanced by throwing blacks a bone, so to speak, did he advance seemingly civil rights friendly policies. Essentially, he decided to buy their votes. The following quotes have been ascribed to LBJ.
"I'll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years." -- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One Ronald Kessler's "Inside The White House"

"These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.” -- LBJ

"This civil rights program about which you have heard so much is a farce and a sham--an effort to set up a police state in the guise of liberty. I am opposed to that program. I fought it in the Congress. It is the province of the state to run its own elections. I am opposed to the anti-lynching bill because the Federal Government has no business enacting a law against one kind of murder than another...(And) if a man can tell you who you must hire, he can tell you who not to employ. I have met this head on."

Austin, Texas May 22, 1948 quoted in Quotations from Chairman LBJ, Simon and Schuster, NY 1968


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 12:11 pm
@okie,
okie, Quoting Johnson shows you have no idea about the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and what it has done for minorities and women in this country.

Your brain is forever damaged, because you can't see any factual results from history. ..

You still haven't learned the difference between rhetoric and accomplishments - and never will.

Study what GW Bush said, and how those ended up in factual results?

"I'm a uniter, not a divider." "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED."

Wanna buy a bridge?

okie
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 04:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie, Quoting Johnson shows you have no idea about the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and what it has done for minorities and women in this country.
Do you think the LBJ quotes I posted are inaccurate? If so, please show proof or at least some cogent reasoning. Also in an effort to educate you, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was initiated by Kennedy, and only then promoted by LBJ after the assassination of Kennedy, when LBJ realized it was politically expedient for him to get the legislation passed, despite the fact that a higher percentage of congressional Democrats opposed the legislation than Republicans. Some of the biggest opponents of the legislation were southern Democrats in the mold of Johnson before Johnson decided which side his bread was buttered on, such as the likes of Robert Byrd. Byrd, a former KKK member, helped filibuster the legislation. I suggest you read the link I provide below. You will see that it was really Republicans that offered more support. There is good evidence that Democrats only got on board with civil rights because it was politically expedient, and because it became their way of securing more power. I don't think it came from their heart, and I still do not think it does. Centralized planning and government power is what they are more interested in, not individual freedom and responsibility. Conservative blacks could testify to you about that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

"On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed a filibustering address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation."
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 04:44 pm
@okie,
okie, Read my post again; I didn't say the quotes you posted were inaccurate. I said rhetoric is usually a backdrop for what they actually accomplish. Many say dumb things - like you, most of the time. What they have over you is the simple fact that they don't continue saying dumb things 100% of the time like you do.

You have the gall to talk about common sense - of which you have none. Live with it.
 

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