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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2010 07:06 am
@okie,
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A communist party member apparently, and she personally endorsed Obama for her seat.

Sure.. and I just read that okie is apparently a neo nazi...

AlicePalmer was never a member of the communist party okie. .That is simply more crap served up and you lick the plate clean and regurgitate the crap because it tasted so good when you were fed it.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2010 07:53 am

Just How Lousy Is the Economic Recovery?

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2010 07:56 am

Change?
We can make a real change in just two weeks.

U.S. Unemployment at 10.0% in Mid-October
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2010 10:36 am
Relevant here too!
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19940&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
Right to Work = Economic Growth

California Congressman Brad Sherman (D) has introduced legislation to repeal right-to-work laws in the 22 states that have them. "Right-to-work" refers to the right of states to prohibit closed shops, a workplace that requires a worker to be a member of a labor union and to pay dues to that union, says Greg Schneider, a senior fellow with the Kansas Policy Institute and an associate professor of history at Emporia State University.

Private sector union membership has declined since the mid-1950s, especially as companies shifted production to lower-cost states in the Sun Belt. Private sector union membership was once as high as 45 percent of the workforce but today it's around 15 percent.

Unions blame right-to-work laws for their plight. But increasingly the number of union jobs declined because the companies where unions were dominant -- the Big Three automakers for instance -- could not remain competitive under the old economic model, says Schneider.

Let's look at some facts from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

From 1999 to 2009, right-to-work states have added 1.5 million private sector jobs for a 3.7 percent increase; states which are not right-to-work lost 1.8 million jobs over the same decade, for a decline of 2.3 percent.

Some states, like Michigan and Ohio, home of the powerful United Auto Workers Union, have hemorrhaged private sector jobs, declining 17 percent and 10 percent respectively over that time period.

The question here is simply about individual liberty, says Schneider. Should the individual worker have the right to decide whether to pay dues to a union, or should that decision be forced on him by others?

Source: Greg Schneider, "Right to Work = Economic Growth," Daily Caller, October 13, 2010.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2010 10:50 am
@okie,
I didn't deny anything. When Ayers was a member of that organization, Obama was in his teens. You are out of your mind; people do change - except you. If Ayers continued as a member of a terrorist org, he would not be walking around free; or does that escape your simple mind?
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2010 11:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
Obama was born in 1961. He was in second grade when Ayers was in SDS. FUrthermore, neither man lived in the same city until Obama moved to CHicago!
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2010 11:51 am
@plainoldme,
So what!!!

Chicago is were they formed their friendship and that's what matters.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2010 12:10 pm
@H2O MAN,
You are a ranter, aren't you? Sit down and take your temperature. I'm certain just as Ayers would think okie darkens his doorstep that he would find you twitching and irrational. Like water, you have found your level.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2010 12:44 pm
@realjohnboy,
This is on election where we are being forced to choose the lesser of two evils.
They both have some good ideas, that they dilute with their craziness.
It is difficult to take either one of them seriously.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2010 01:16 pm
The Democrats must be removed from majority power to begin to straighten them out.

The Republicans must obtain majority power to begin to straighten them out.

The Tea Party will help straighten out both.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2010 06:57 pm
@ican711nm,
The Tea Totalitarians, if victorious, will make the US look like India circa 1900.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 22 Oct, 2010 10:38 am
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 22 Oct, 2010 12:50 pm


Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 06:20 pm
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OUR TEA PARTY MISSION STATEMENT

We the people of the our Tea Party Movement adopt this mission statement:
“The impetus for the Tea Paerty movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values.

Core Values
Constitutionally limited Government
Fiscal Responsibility
Free Markets

Constitutionally Limited Government:
We, the members of our Tea Party Movement are inspired by our founding documents and regard the Constitution of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founding fathers set forth, and stand in support of that intent. Like the founders, we support state’s rights for those powers not expressly stated in the Constitution. As the government is of the people, by the people and for the people, in all matters we support the personal liberty of the individual, within the rule of law.

Fiscal Responsibility:
Fiscal Responsibility by government honors and respects the freedom of the individual to spend the money that is the fruit of their own labor. A constitutionally limited government, designed to protect the blessings of liberty, must be fically responsible or it must subject its citizenry to high levels of high taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect. Such runaway deficit spending as we now see in Washington D.C. compels us to take action as the increasing national debt is a grave threat to our national sovereignty and the personal and economic liberty of future generations.

Free Markets:
A free market is the economic consequence of personal liberty. The founders believed that personal and economic freedom were indivisible, as do we. Our current government’s interference distorts the free market and inhibits the pursuit of individual and economic liberty. Therefore we support a return to the free market principles on which this nation was founded and oppose government intervention in to the operations of private business.

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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2010 10:50 am
This part of an email I rec'd Saturday:


This week, 136 Members of the House of Representatives sent a letter to President Obama opposing any cuts to Social Security benefits, any increase in the retirement age, and any proposals to privatize the program.

There is still more work to be done. The National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform continues to meet, and could recommend deep cuts to Social Security. If the Commission reaches agreement, its plan has been guaranteed a fast track up-or-down vote in Congress in December.

Social Security has not contributed one dime to the federal deficit – it actually has a surplus of $2.6 trillion today. Social Security belongs to the people who have worked hard and paid taxes to the program. It should not be cut to reduce the deficit.

The retirement age has already been raised from 65 to 66, and it will go to 67 in 2022. Some in Congress want to raise it to 70. That would cut benefits by 20 percent!

plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2010 11:03 am
@plainoldme,
As I said, that was part of the email.

I have some observations to make.

The first is that while the age at which one can receive full Social Security benefits is rising, nothing is being done to protect the older worker from age discrimination. For those of you who would demand a translation, that means that while the older person may be forced to work, they may not be hired and nothing will be done to protect them. Raising the mandatory retirement age means that older workers will see their incomes plummet. They will probably not be able to collect welfare or even purchase food stamps, making homelessness and hunger an increasing problem among older workers.

Furthermore, despite the skills that an older worker may or may not possess, people who are more than 50 are more apt to be limited to jobs that pay very little, due to the situation outlined above whereby older workers are excluded from decent jobs. Most will accept lower earning positions which means that they pay diminishing amounts into SS.

Privatizing is a joke because most people are probably not financially savvy enough to invest well, and, even if they are, considering all the financial schemes and disasters that have negatively impacted the economy since the last seventies, there is no reason to believe that even those possessing the right amount of caution and daring, coupled with sophisticated analytical skills, will be able to profit.

Does anyone remember the abuzz poster who daily railed against the post office? The strange thing is that I had as many complaints against UPS, complaints that were often identical to his postal service bashing. Let's face it, all of these systems are made by human beings and are all fallible.

These proposals are just that top 1% (which profited at the expense of the 80% who saw no real increase in their wages over the past three decades) flexing their selfishness again. It will not fix the problem.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2010 01:43 pm
Steady as a rock in concrete absent an earth quake.
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ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
Year……TOTAL US CIVIL EMPLOYMENT
1980……………..99 million [CARTER]
1988…………… 115 million [REAGAN]
1992…………….118 million [BUSH41]
2000……………137 million [CLINTON]
2007………..….146 million [BUSH43]
2008………….. 145 million [BUSH43]
2009,……….....140 million [OBAMA]
2010.……………139 million [OBAMA] (as of September 2010 and not final year of term)

Year.…….PERCENT OF CIVILIAN POPULATION EMPLOYED
1980…………………………………….59.2 [CARTER]
1988…………………………………….62.3 [REAGAN]
1992…………………………………….61.5 [BUSH41]
2000…………………………………….64.4 [CLINTON]
2007…………………………………….63.0 [BUSH43]
2008…………………………………….62.2 [BUSH43]
2009…………………………………….59.3 [OBAMA]
2010…………………………………….58.5 [OBAMA] (as of September 2010 and not final year of term)


parados
 
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Reply Sun 24 Oct, 2010 01:53 pm
@ican711nm,
Didn't you mean "dumb as a rock"?
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2010 03:18 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
Social Security has not contributed one dime to the federal deficit – it actually has a surplus of $2.6 trillion today.

Although you are correct that Social Security has not contributed to the federal deficit, Social Security does not have any money, because it has all been spent, in other words loaned to the government to spend on other stuff other than being spent on Social Security checks to the retired people, so that all it has left is a pile of promissary notes along with no money to pay them off. The money is gone, thanks to mostly Democratic Congresses.

It was a Ponzi Scheme from the very beginning. It was funded by current workers paying into the system to support retirees that paid into the system yesterday, because the money paid in had already been robbed from the fund and spent by the government. Bernie Madoff was operating a very similar scheme, using today's investors to pay for yesterday's investors coming in to withdraw their money. Instead of giving yesterday's investors their money with earnings and interest, he instead robbed them of their money and banked on the hope that he could get enough new investors to pay those people that wanted to withdraw their money. Bernie Madoff is sitting in prison. His scheme was a 65 billion dollar scheme. How big is FDR's Ponzi scheme that has been perpetuated all of these decades? Answer is probably trillions. Where are the presidents and congressmen that have lied to the American people about their scheme? Drawing their pensions and being praised as American icons and heros.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2010 03:35 pm
@okie,
Maybe this explains how congressmen can be heros for their Ponzi schemes? They all pat each other on the back for being so clever and compassionate when they rob the American people to give the money to their voters.
"Bernie Madoff, Free at Last
In prison he doesn’t have to hide his lack of conscience. In fact, he’s a hero for it."
http://nymag.com/news/crimelaw/66468/
http://images.nymag.com/news/crimelaw/madoff100614_1_560.jpg
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