Where is the US economy headed?

@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

What proof do you have of Obama's communist connections? Please provide a reliable source here, so we can all see it.

When you say "connections," what exactly do you mean?

The word "connections" was in the web link I provided for you to read. If you cared to inform yourself, then read it and make your own judgements. For example, if you doubt those folks existed or had communist connections, that is your privilege, but read about folks like Alice Palmer, Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn. You don't have to agree with me, ci, but you deserve to inform yourself a little bit about this stuff, so that you can have informed opinions. If you oppose communism, I would suggest you should read it.

I am not saying Obama is a Communist party member, not by any stretch, but I am saying that he has had some questionable associations. And there is also no denying that he has also appointed or attempted to appoint folks with some Marxist beliefs. You can choose to believe it all means nothing, go ahead, but I still think you would be more credible if you would read up on some of this stuff. Also Glenn Beck did some excellent research into much of this stuff a while back as well.

This is not fiction or simply made up out of nothing by conservatives as you seem to want to believe. Look, if you like communists and communism, then I think you might be wasting your time to read it, and maybe you would already know it anyway, but if not, I think you should open up your mind a little to some information that does not already fit your template of Obama.

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@okie,

No, you claimed Obama has communist connections; I understand the difference.

However, your article is without credence or credible source; it's the same kind of garbage you have a habit of spreading here on a2k.

You use words without understanding their inference; it's not the first time, and I know it's not the last. You cry fire at every turn, but there isn't even smoke; it's all from your own polluted imagination.

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@cicerone imposter,

That is your opinion, ci. You don't have to agree with mine, okay.

By the way, I read your link about Obama, with an opinion that Obama's communist associations did not amount to much, or that Obama did not agree with those associates, etc. Basically the writer passes off the associations and mentoring of Obama as meaningless. I could not even find the name of the writer, perhaps I missed it, but essentially the person is merely expressing another opinion.

As one example of thinking things don't mean anything, I guess if you choose to believe that if you launch your political career in the home of domestic terrorists and Marxist sympathizers William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrne, that it means nothing, that is your privilege to believe, ci. However, I do not believe that an opposite opinion is unreasonable at all. I happen to believe that actions could mean something.

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@okie,

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I have posted that by the way as a thread of its own, mainly because there had been those that claimed Ike was liberal instead of conservative, which his article clearly dispels as myth.

That's not quite the claim. The claim is that the political center has shifted and that people who seemed conservative years ago have emerged as liberals. Newly retired Supreme Court Justice Stevens is one example.

Do you see there is a serious difference between saying that one is a liberal and that the center has shifted so radically that former conservatives now seem liberal?

If you do, do you now understand why you have been ridiculed here?

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@okie,

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The word "connections" was in the web link I provided for you to read. If you cared to inform yourself, then read it and make your own judgements. For example, if you doubt those folks existed or had communist connections, that is your privilege, but read about folks like Alice Palmer, Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn.

Why are you so concerned with people that no one gives a second thought to?

BTW, you think you deserve applause for your long marriage. William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn were probably married around the same time you were.

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@okie,

okie, It's proper to assume a person is innocent until a court of law determines guilt. You are the jury, judge, and the prosecution. You have no idea about any kind of justice system - including your own.

"Associations" doesn't mean much to most people, except for extremists like yourself who finds every tidbit of rumor as fact. You base people's character, not on actual knowlege, but on false information provided most often by right wing media. You don't have any concept of fair and balanced.

Your insecurity shows through in spades.

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@plainoldme,

I think there are two factors in play here. One is that politicians do in fact shift their attitudes and opinions, while I will agree that the political landscape also shifts so that what might have been considered liberal before might be conservative now, or vice versa. I would like to see more evidence that Stevens has not changed, but that the spectrum has changed. I think that very possibly it has been Stevens that has changed, but I admit I have not studied him.

You are claiming that former conservatives would be considered liberal now, but I think just the opposite might be true. My example is JFK, who advocated tax rate cuts to grow the economy, which is now a conservative economic policy, but at the time JFK was considered more on the liberal side of things. At least, the liberal constituency admired the man greatly, maybe because he was a sort of womanizer that defied the existing moral constraints held by more conservative elements of society. Actually, I remember JFK as kind of a mixture of liberal and conservative influences or beliefs.

In regard to Ike, if you read his article with honesty, you have to admit his views more often match the conservative side of things right now, not necessarily just when he was president, so I do not buy your apparent argument concerning Eisenhower. It has been my perception through the observation of politics all of my life that conservatism was the political center in the 50's. A politician like Obama for example would not have gotten 5 or 10% of the vote at best. In fact, I doubt the press of that day would have given him the time of day. They would not have promoted him as they did to get his candidacy going in this last election cycle.

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@okie,

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And there is also no denying that he has also appointed or attempted to appoint folks with some Marxist beliefs.

You have repeatedly made that claim okie but you haven't provided one piece of solid evidence to support it.
Yet when anyone uses those standards to oppose you, you accuse them of being liars.

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@okie,

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That is your opinion, ci. You don't have to agree with mine, okay.

Does not agreeing make someone a liar okie? Do you think it is OK for people to disagree with you or not? When I disagree with you about the meaning of wreck you called me a liar and demanded an apology. Your **** still stinks okie. You just don't seem to smell it.

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@georgeob1,

By the way goerge, here is the IRS definition of income.

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Business income is income received from the sale of products or services. For example, fees received by a professional person are considered business income. Rents received by a person in the real estate business are business income. Payments received in the form of property or services must be included in income at their fair market value

Your use of earnings in place of income leads to some mathematical impossibilities.
For instance a company would have income(earnings) of $40,000 and pay 62% of (income)earnings in taxes and yet still have $30,000 in cash after they pay taxes.

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Obama has no clue about entrepreneurship

The president's admission is no minor matter; it goes to the
heart of why his economic policies have been such a failure.

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@okie,

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Also Glenn Beck did some excellent research into much of this stuff a while back as well.

Warning! Logical exception leading to fatal error!

<system crash>

Cycloptichorn

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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19928&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
Tyranny of the Unelected

Congress passed and the president signed 125 bills into law in 2009. Your tireless federal regulatory agencies were even busier: They issued 3,503 rules and regulations, says Wayne Crews, a vice president at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

Regulations considered in recent years have included energy-efficiency standards for clothes washers and pool heaters, SUV emission rules and the Consumer Product Safety Commission's designs to regulate escalators as a "consumer product."

The year's Federal Register -- the daily depository of federal regulations -- already tops 61,000 pages.

According to research conducted for the Small Business Administration by economists Nicole V. and W. Mark Crain, annual off-budget regulatory costs exceed $1.7 trillion, an amount equivalent to more than half the level of the federal budget itself and on a par with the stratospheric annual deficit.
In response to this fire hose of regulation, Rep. Geoff Davis, Kentucky Republican, and Sen. Jim DeMint, South Carolina Republican, unveiled the REINS Act (Regulations from the Executive In Need of Scrutiny) to require congressional approval of major agency rules and regulations before they are binding. Major rules are the ones costing $100 million annually.

Regulations aren't beneficial merely because proponents say so. Often no one has a clue whether benefits exceed costs:

In the Office of Management and Budget's annual reports to Congress on regulatory costs and benefits, less than 1 percent of agency final rule documents get reviewed.

Agencies will avoid putting price tags on rules they know REINS could block, so particularly controversial rules should be subject to affirmation as well, not just those explicitly designated as exceeding the $100 million threshold.
By tolerating the delegation of sweeping lawmaking power to unelected agencies, Congress has severed the power to establish regulatory programs from the responsibility for the results of those programs.

Source: Wayne Crews, "Tyranny of the Unelected," Washington Times, October 11, 2010.

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Dealing with deficits

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@Cycloptichorn,

I keep seeing people refering to Glenn Beck, so I got curious and listened to him on the radio and watched his show on tv.

Is he for real, or is his act mainly for comedic purposes?
I'm not even sure what he was ranting about, but he couldnt have been serious about it.
He was making no sense, making claims that could be proven wrong with the most basic of research, and generally making an ass of himself.

Is he always like that?

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

I keep seeing people refering to Glenn Beck, so I got curious and listened to him on the radio and watched his show on tv.

Is he for real, or is his act mainly for comedic purposes?
I'm not even sure what he was ranting about, but he couldnt have been serious about it.
He was making no sense, making claims that could be proven wrong with the most basic of research, and generally making an ass of himself.

Is he always like that?

Yes - and a huge portion of your party thinks the dude is serious, dead serious, and an honest scholar. Okie certainly refers to him as a source of information.

The guy is batshit crazy, but he plays up the fears of people who are scared right now.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

He has been on the radio here for about a year now, that I know of.
I had never listened to him, so I had no idea he was that strange.

If many repubs think he is serious, it makes me glad that I am not a republican.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

He has been on the radio here for about a year now, that I know of.
I had never listened to him, so I had no idea he was that strange.

If many repubs think he is serious, it makes me glad that I am not a republican.

MM, you and I part ways here. I do not find Beck at all strange. The guy has done some pretty good investigative reporting. If you are glad you are not a Republican, what are you? I have read in the past, I think, that you are a conservative, so I have to point out that if you in fact are, what party represents conservatism better, Democrat or Republican? I would also remind you that Beck is a conservative. Clearly he is. It also makes me wonder what he said that is so strange?

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yes - and a huge portion of your party thinks the dude is serious, dead serious, and an honest scholar. Okie certainly refers to him as a source of information.

The guy is batshit crazy, but he plays up the fears of people who are scared right now.

Cycloptichorn

Not as crazy as libs are. Take a few like Michael Moore, even yourself. You think Marxism has some good points we should use. Lets see now, how many hundreds of millions of people have died because of Marxist governments? Just who is blankety blank crazy now, cyclops?

Folks, you will have to pardon me, but I grew up in a time when all politicians of every stripe condemned and vowed to defeat communism, as it was considered an evil idealogy. That also included Democrats. I guess until the last 15 or 20 years or so.

Now, I get made fun of when I come straight out and ask a poster if they support or oppose communism or Marxism, and why. I have asked parados and ciceroneimposter lately, I believe also pom, and they have refused to answer, at least I have yet to see it. I guess they either don't know or won't say. Instead they criticize me for asking a simple question.

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@mysteryman,

As an aside, Mysteryman, may I ask what you think about the Senate race in your state of Kentucky? Rand Paul (Rep) - who has the support of the Tea Party movement - seems to have about a 5 point lead over Jack Conway (Dem) in this open seat vacated by a retiring Repub.
Rand made some gaffes early on. Last night, in a debate, Conway made a bizarre (unsubstantiated) allegation suggesting that Paul once engaged in some ritual involving female bondage and pagan or unchristian behavior. Is Conway nuts?

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