@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
POM's point is that Hitler didn't give two shits about 'socialism.' His goal was never to achieve a society in which the principles of socialism, as Marx wrote about, were actually in place. But he used the term because it was in fact a popular idea in Germany at the time, and because it was a useful club with which to justify what were essentially acts of tyranny. I'm sure you will agree with me that it is hardly uncommon or unbelievable for politicians to spout off things that people want to hear, while actually pursuing goals which benefit themselves and their favored groups.
Once again, these are the sorts of things which become apparent once a serious study of the subject is undertaken...
Cycloptichorn
I have invited any leftist on this forum to debate each of the 25 Nazi party points of policy, but so far I've had no takers, and that to me is one of the principle reasons why I think you guys know what the points really say and you do not wish to face the reality of them.
I have not been the only one to post links as well as try to explain that Nazism was a form of Fascism, which under Mussolini was known as the "Third Way." The well known reason it was called the "Third Way" was because elements of capitalism were used and injected into socialism to derive a hybrid or third way political and economic policy. I think it is also a fact that Hitler used a similar approach of using some capitalism with the understanding that it had to be for the good of the "folks" or German people, it had to be for the "Common Good," and therefore an all powerful State, with him in charge of course, to administer and make sure his vision of a nationalistic and socialistic utopia would be achieved.
Once again, to go into a bit more detail in an effort to talk sense to folks like cyclops, among the socialistic goals of the Nazi platform was an equality of earnings for every citizen, that every citizen must work for the benefit of all with the work not to offend the interest of the community as a whole. Not only that, but all income not arising from work was to to be abolished, which of course was a direct attack upon wealth and the perceived evils of the rich. Also, no profits from making war would be allowed, and all trusts were to be nationalized, also a direct assault upon accumulated wealth. Profits from large industries were to be confiscated and given to the laborers, which is again simply another socialistic or even communistic policy. Other socialistic or communistic policies included State administered old age pensions, confiscation of large stores for the good of the State and supposedly all people, also confiscation of farmland for the State to redistribute and run. Rents, land speculation, and so-called profiteering were to be halted for the good of the State and the people, and the so-called profiteers (or capitalists) would be punished severely, even by death. The perceived atmosphere of materialism was going to be replaced with "German Common Law," in other words run by the State for the good of all the people, the "Common Good."
Other policies of Hitler's socialistic vision included State run education or indoctrination of all youth, with curricula aimed at making them useful for the common good or good of the State. Part of the program also included physical fitness and provision of maternity welfare and so forth.
Important other policies to move all of this stuff forward also included the abolition of a free press and the regular army, replacing the regular army with a national folk army. (Does this remind us of Obama's idea for a civilian security force?) Anybody in the press that publishes anything that does not promote the common good, they would be abolished, and profiteering was a complete no-no. The materialistic influence of the Jewish culture was to be completely trashed in exchange for the new socialistic common good vision of the German utopia, run by the State, as envisioned by the Nazis and Adolph Hitler.
The principle idea at the foundation of the entire package of Nazism was "COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD." Individual good was considered selfish, greedy, and an outgrowth of unbridled capitalism as promoted by the Jewish culture, and it was all to be done away with in exchange for the socialistic vision and policies of the new Nazi Germany. And finally, there is no question whatsover to anyone with an ounce of knowledge about socialism and communism, that common good is one of the foundations of socialism and communism. Every Nazi policy was designed to be ultimately socialistic in nature, to place every citizen on an equal footing by equalizing incomes, taking from the wealthy, and propping up the poor, taking care of and educating the children, and taking care of the aged, all to be administered and directed by an all powerful State.
To conclude, cyclops and any other liberal here with an interest in honestly facing the truth of what I have just written in summary form, there is absolutely no way you can deny that Nazism is not leftist in nature. Although I have already summarized the picture for you, I would welcome anyone to debate any of the Nazi 25 points. In fact, what better document can we go back to in order to honestly analyze what the Nazis were? But you need to be willing to look at the points in an honest and forthright manner, that is a requirement.
Crisis
