@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Interesting, the issue of right vs wrong, I think the hippie generation represented a rebellion against the cultural norms, and we as a people are becoming increasingly unable to make clear judgements about right and wrong
The problem with your position is that you see you and your beliefs as absolute ones. You've no more perspective on what 'right and wrong' are than anyone else does. Your generation simply ignored problems instead of dealing with them, and when later generations actually faced the problems and came up with solutions for them, you disdain them for it.
I sense that I've hit a sensitive spot in cyclops brain. Yes, the liberal mind is intimidated, even frightened, by anyone that dares to have absolute beliefs. The founding fathers would have frightened the liberals to death, with their declaration that there was a God and that God endowed man with certain inalienable rights. And I am sure their fear of government would have run counter to that of all the liberals here, like cyclops, that think government is the answer to all of their ills.
Quote:You are against legalized abortion, but women have always - and will always - get abortions if they want them. There likely were as many of them when you were a kid as there are now, it was just a secret and dangerous thing. Later generations confronted this fact that yours was too afraid to confront.
Interesting the subject commonly comes back to abortion, but it does seem to be the canary in the coal mine, in terms of telling us what kind of values people and a culture have. When a person, or a culture thinks no more of their unborn offspring than it being a piece of garbage or trash, I am telling you, cyclops, we are on very dangerous and slippery ground, in fact we have lost our way. I just do not think that way, I happen to think life is more sacred and more precious than that, and it should not be taken lightly. When man and woman enters into a union, they should realize that the union means a whole lot more than recreation, it means pro-creation, and with it carries an awesome responsibility.
Look, I am not completely resolved in my own mind about what the legality of abortion should be in unusual circumstances, like rape or incest, but I do not think abortion should be universally acceptable as a means of birth control.
Quote:You are against homosexuals having equal rights, and likely against homosexuality in general (your generation as a whole certainly is), but there were as many gays when you were a kid as there are now. You just ignored the 'problem' because you were too afraid to confront it. We are not, and you don't like the results.
I am in favor of homosexuals having equal rights, they should have a right to marry anyone of the opposite sex. I am not in favor of our government or culture placing a stamp of approval upon homosexual marriage by sanctioning it as equal to heterosexual marriage. After all, it just doesn't work. The plumbing is not compatible, common sense should tell anybody that.
Quote:Sex before marriage has been going on full-pace forever. There's nothing new about it at all; we just admit it, whereas your generations hid it.
In fact, that's a great way to describe the morality you discuss - you hide from issues instead of confronting the reality of them. Modern generations are better about this, and I can see how you might think it's a problem, because you just can't deal with the actual solutions - they hurt your 'sensibilities' even if none of it has one thing to do with your actual life personally.
I think the thing you are ignoring, cyclops, is that bringing stuff out in the open and making it standard practice, we as a culture have watered down the expectations for the generations coming on. In other words, if we water down every irresponsible action, we are inviting only more trouble. Example, I have been told by folks that have lived in a South American country, that if you leave stuff laying around the yard, it is assumed it can be stolen, and so it is stolen very commonly, and it is assumed that the folks that stole it - they needed it worse, so no problem, and law enforcement makes no effort to find the thieves, so people don't even bother to report alot of the stuff stolen, and over time it has become a way of life. There are other things down there as well, it is just expected that bribery is necessary to get anything done, it becomes a way of life, part of the culture.
Quote:Quote:You do not seem very clear in your mind, cyclops, sorry, but I am serious about that.
This from a guy who considered Hitler to be a leftist - a position which is idiotic, Okie, and you paint yourself to be an ignorant person every time you forward it. It's embarrassing - I'm embarrassed for you every time you bring that **** up, seriously. You would be laughed out of the room in any serious historical discussion.
Cycloptichorn
I am not the least bit embarrassed about stating the absolute truth. I have the evidence to back me up, you do not. All you have is supposed conventional wisdom taught by liberal leftist professors in places like Berkeley. You need to come down out of your ivory tower Berkeley type atmosphere and face the evidence of history with a little common sense. As ican accurately pointed out, even Hitler admitted he was socialist, which is by definition a leftist idealogy. Just because it was a nationalistic form of socialism does not change the basic definition of it, even though some leftist historians would like to make it so, because perhaps they themselves may favor more toward the international form of socialism, which is communist. As has been repeated and pointed out numerous times here on A2K, perhaps a nationalistic form of socialism is to the right of the international form of it, that does not change the inescapable and absolute fact that the basic idealogy is still on the left side of the scale. You can ridicule me as long as you wish, but facts do not change the reality of it, I am safely on the side of history, facts, and reality.
