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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 8 May, 2010 01:00 pm
@Bi-Polar Bear,
I don't think your apt labeling of waterboy was meant as a defense of me but it was nicely timed. I was trying to behave and a have a logical, well supported discussion. His calling me an idiot was not in line with the tone I was using. Thanks.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 8 May, 2010 02:19 pm
Any time our democratic processes loosen control on the market, bringing it closer to what may be designated "free (although there is no such thing)," we have a Depression or near Depression.

To paraphrase ronald reagan, "Capitalism is not the answer to the problem, capitalism is the problem."
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 8 May, 2010 02:29 pm
@plainoldme,
Quote:
"Capitalism is not the answer to the problem, capitalism is the problem."
I am a socialist and even I don't believe that....unsupervised capitalism, and capitalism used in situations were it should not be, are the problems.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 8 May, 2010 05:32 pm
@plainoldme,
Quote:
Capitalism is not the answer to the problem, capitalism is the problem.


But if somebody said that women are not the answer to the problem, women are the problem, it wouldn't necesarily imply that the speaker wished to get rid of women.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 8 May, 2010 07:05 pm
@Bi-Polar Bear,
POM, is that an more
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 8 May, 2010 09:06 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

To paraphrase ronald reagan, "Capitalism is not the answer to the problem, capitalism is the problem."

Now now, pom, somebody needs to call you out on that post, I don't believe for a minute that Reagan said anything like that. Either provide a quote, or admit you are making it up.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 9 May, 2010 05:54 am


POM-POM is nothing more than a brainless cheerleader for the left.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 9 May, 2010 09:29 am
Do I hear the sound of a pot calling a kettle black?
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 9 May, 2010 09:34 am
@hawkeye10,
Do you feel that ican, okie, et al. accept you? You are as conservative as they are.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 9 May, 2010 09:39 am
To paraphrase is to put into other words. This time, I corrected him. After all, reagan made government bigger and expanded the debt, so, government could not have been the problem. He seems to have misspoke.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 9 May, 2010 11:40 am
@MontereyJack,
POM is guilty of that more and more these days.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 9 May, 2010 11:49 am
Oh, Say Can You See? Is Your Bank Still There?
Routine reporting, here. 4 more banks were taken over Friday, bringing the total in 2010 to 68 vs 32 at the same time last year. In all of 2009, 140 were seized by the FDIC. The 4 banks had assets/liabilities in total of less than $1Bn but the FDIC still will take a hit to the tune of $214Mn.
Commercial property and real estate development remain the culprits in this year's bank failures.
Back now to whatever yall were talking about.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 9 May, 2010 11:53 am
I wonder if this guy is credible
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Meet the Economist Who Says the Government's Economic Numbers Are Lies

http://www.alternet.org/economy/146784/meet_the_economist_who_says_the_government%27s_economic_numbers_are_lies
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 9 May, 2010 12:49 pm
Good afternoon, Amigo, and welcome to this thread where all of the cool people hang out. Some of us play well together...and, then, there are the others.
With regard to your 1st post on this thread: I think most of us here consider the "official" unemployment rate (U-3) as being meaningless. That is the one often reported in the media and is now at 9.9%.
We have, I think, agreed on using U-6 here. That is defined as U-3 plus people who have jobs but are not getting the number of hours per week that they would like. U-6, in the report out last Friday, puts that at 17.1%.
The gentleman in the article you cite has an even higher number. I can see how he might get there. How many college graduates, for example, are flipping burgers at McD's? Or working for me? Over qualified for the jobs they are hanging onto.
Is there some kind of conspiracy by the politicians and the liberal media to paint a rosy scenario re unemployment? I don't think so. Rather, U-3 was the number that was settled upon long ago and has been used in good times and bad. I wish that we could switch to U-6 as the number to watch but I doubt it will happen.
I will be back with inflation later.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 9 May, 2010 05:20 pm
@plainoldme,
pom, do you even know what the definition of "paraphrase" is? I would challenge you again to find a Ronald Reagan quote as you claimed, and if you cannot, then admit he never said any such thing. Just admit you were making stuff up, pom, if you cannot produce the quote. At least have that much honor.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 11:45 am
Implementation of the High-Tax-High-Spend political philosophy is harmful to all including those who initially receive wealth stolen for them by the government from those who earn it. Eventually, those who earn it no longer possess the means to earn it.
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19318&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD

HIGH-TAX, HIGH-SPEND MODEL STILL DOES NOT WORK
State government finances are in bad shape because too many states went on spending binges in the early part of the decade when revenue was rolling in. However, the states did not leave enough in reserve to handle the collapse in revenues caused by the 2008-2009 recession, according to the latest edition of "Rich States, Poor States," released by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

For example:
• If states had just kept their spending growth the same as population growth plus inflation between 2002 and 2007, they could have maintained all their services and still provided a $500 billion tax cut.
• Political pressure, especially from government employee unions, is a big part of the reason why states do not have anything in reserve; state legislatures, for instance, have lavishly enhanced pension benefits, but state employees should have little confidence that the states will ultimately make good on those promises.
• Only 9 percent of state pension plans have enough assets to be considered safe according to government standards.

Many state legislatures, unwilling to take on the well-organized lobbies for government spending, have resorted to raising taxes on the rich.

However, that will only exacerbate the boom-and-bust budget cycles, as Maryland's experience demonstrates, says ALEC:
• Politicians in Annapolis created a millionaire tax bracket, raising the top marginal income tax rate to 6.25 percent.
• Already, Maryland has seen a one-third decline in tax returns from millionaire households; the rich have literally disappeared from the state tax collectors' sights.
• Instead of the state coffers gaining the extra $107 million the politicians predicted, millionaires paid $257 million less in taxes than they did last year.

States like Utah, Colorado, Arizona, South Dakota and Florida are the top five ranking states in the ALEC-Laffer State Economic Competitiveness Index for 2010, and have policies that include lower taxes and less labor regulation. Such states have had population growth of 18.5 percent over the decade 1998-2008, while the 10 lowest ranking states had population growth of only 5.2 percent over that period, says ALEC.

Source: Alex Adrianson, "High-Tax, High-Spend Model Still Does Not Work," Heritage Foundation, April 8, 2010; based upon: Arthur B. Laffer, Stephen Moore and Jonathan Williams, "Rich States, Poor States," American Legislative Exchange Council, April 7, 2010.

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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 08:26 pm
I wonder what condition roads would be in if these righties had to pave the streets they live on rather than paying for maintenance through their taxes?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 08:35 pm
@plainoldme,
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I wonder what condition roads would be in if these righties had to pave the streets they live on rather than paying for maintenance through their taxes?
we have way more roads than we can afford to keep up, a horrible national transit system that uses up way to much fuel and costs way too much to run......How come you lefties did not speak-up? Did not prevent this disaster?

Ya might consider a different example, cause this one drives home the failure of the left to preform.
okie
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 09:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
I agree a different example is in order for pom to prove her point. If the gas taxes were actually spent on roads instead of other disciplines or upon the bureaucracies of the DOT's, then we might have better roads. Also, in recent years, I suspect more is being spent on the environmental or visual aspects of road building than the actual roads, this has been something I've noticed. Often a new road construction project is delayed by studying the impact on some obscure toad or frog or something, or making sure the landscaping fits in with everything after the road is completed.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 11:16 am
I have two contributions that need to be examined together. The first is from "Reason," a libertarian magazine: http://reason.com/archives/2010/05/07/we-are-out-of-money

The next is from NPR, a feature on the town of Gardner, MA, once "the furniture capital of New England." http://www.wbur.org/2010/04/27/gardner-budget

The WBUR piece does more to shed light on this country's economic woes than the article from REason does, although reading/listening to them in tandem paints the complete picture.

Gardner is a town in central MAss., about 60+ miles northwest of Boston. It is in the heart of forested hills, with access to waterways. The furniture industry moved to North CArolina, leaving the town of Gardner as a retail outlet center for furniture. Retail outlets are one of those bad ideas that helped hide how difficult the economy has been for the past 1/3 century.

The furniture industry is leaving North CArolina for China.

The liberals are not the folks who gutted American manufacturing.
 

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