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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 07:09 pm
@plainoldme,
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The root is the problem is that you will say any ridiculous thing for the sake of argument.
considering that I am consistent and that my positions are unified by a set of beliefs your allegation is false on the face of it. That you use your imagined motives for my behaviour as an excuse to blow me off speaks about you and your unwillingness to confront certain people and views. I don't respect people who call what other people say ridiculous but whom are also too lazy and/or too condescending to make the argument for why such and such is ridiculous....hopefully most other people don't either.

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Those fines levied on sales people at liquor stores are meant to protect the likes of you, even if you are ungrateful for the protection.
I do not appreciate government intrusion into my life that is not justified. I will continue to argue that government is out of control and is in need of fixing. If I can't convince a majority that I am right then my view deserves to fail.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 11:01 am
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Consumers Help Drive U.S. Economy to 3.2% Growth Rate
By CATHERINE RAMPELL
Published: April 30, 2010

For the third quarter in a row, the United States economy showed strong economic growth in the first quarter, and increased consumer spending played a significant role, the Commerce Department reported Friday.
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Jessica Rinaldi/Reuters

A shopper at a Best Buy store in Queens last month. Consumer spending grew at an annual rate of 3.6 percent in the first part of the year.

The broadest measure of the overall economy grew at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 3.2 percent in the quarter, after gains of 5.6 percent in the fourth quarter of 2009 and 2.2 percent in the third quarter.

While the expansion in output was welcome, it still has not brought the level of hiring growth needed to recover ground lost during the recession.

Speaking in the White House Rose Garden, President Obama acknowledged that many Americans may find little comfort in Friday’s numbers because “ ‘you’re hired’ is the only economic news they’re waiting to hear.”

The administration’s focus, he said, is “to create the conditions necessary for those businesses to open their doors, expand their operations and ultimately hire more workers.”

Economists are hopeful that the news of three straight quarters of growth may breed more confidence about the future.

“It’s been a case of, when will they stop worrying and learn to love the boom?” said Robert Barbera, chief economist at ITG, who said that many economists and businesses have been too pessimistic about the turnaround.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/01/business/economy/01econ.html?hp

Things are looking better! One more quarter and we'll have had a solid year of growth.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 11:08 am



Don't let a rare indication of positive economic activity fool you into a false sense of security.

It's not getting better, unemployment remains high and Obamanomics is going to make a complete mess of our economy.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 11:43 am
@H2O MAN,
Yah, 9 months of positive growth is "a rare indication" of positive economic activity.

Positive growth IS the best indicator of positive economic activity squirt.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 11:46 am
@parados,


Parasite, have another squirt of that Kool Aid that you're drinking... maybe it will clear your head.
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 12:54 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Things are looking better! One more quarter and we'll have had a solid year of growth.

I'll withhold judgment until the stimulus money peters out around the end of this year. Currently, stimulus spending is at its scheduled maximum. I'm utterly unsurprised that things are looking better than a year ago, when they looked disastrous.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 01:48 pm
@Thomas,
The $8000 tax credit for purchasing a home expires today. Anecdotal evidence indicates that the credit spurred a lot of activity.
I suspect that there will be pressure to renew it yet again, particularly if real estate activity drops off next month and foreclosure rates resume/continue upward.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 02:18 pm
@realjohnboy,
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I suspect that there will be pressure to renew it yet again, particularly if real estate activity drops off next month and foreclosure rates resume/continue upward.
the program has had a lot of fraud in it, and any move to extend it will communicate to our bankers that we are not serious about managing our government debt. It will also be more ammunition for those who think that Obama is a socialist so it has consequences at the ballot box.

I think he has no choice but to let the housing market find its bottom naturally, even though it may take awhile.

realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 03:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
I am not aware of the fraud element, hawkeye. But if you say so, I can accept it.
I hope that this thing will not be renewed lest it become somewhat of a permanent tax-break. Again, anecdotal evidence suggests many of the buyers would have bought even without the credit.
I think we are near the bottom of falling prices and higher foreclosures. We perhaps should let the market find the true bottom. Painful? Yes.
As an aside, I note today that the Federal Reserve is going to start allowing banks to buy Certificates of Deposits (CD's) from the Fed to allow the banks to park cash and earn some interest.
I appreciate that the Fed may want to soak cash out of the economy to prevent inflation. That money was distributed during the "stimulus" programs.
It grates me a bit that the banks would rather buy these low yielding CD's rather than working with qualified individual and business borrowers.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 03:24 pm
@realjohnboy,
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) " Thousands of individuals claiming the first-time home buyer's $8,000 tax credit may have been trying to scam the system, including purported 4-year-olds and illegal immigrants, according to a watchdog report released Thursday.
Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George told a House panel that more than 19,000 people filed 2008 tax returns claiming the credit for homes they had not yet purchased. George said his office had identified another $500 million in claims, by some 74,000 taxpayers, where there were indications of prior home ownership
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2009-10-22-homebuyer-tax-credit-fraud_N.htm
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 03:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
Thanks. I missed that. It should be pretty easy to catch, I hope.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 03:46 pm
@realjohnboy,
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Thanks. I missed that. It should be pretty easy to catch, I hope.
Labor intensive, and as I assume you know the IRS has been intentionally kept severely undermanned and underfunded for many years to as to make tax fraud easier. Primarily at the demand of the conservatives, but dems went along with this scheme so **** them too.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 04:45 pm
The Odem (i.e., Obamademocrats) are lying thieving gangsters working to reduce our Liberty. our Constitutional Government, and our Capitalist Economy. We shall remove the Odem from our federal government.
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19277&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
CALLING ALL CON ARTISTS

Every year, thousands of crooks bilk taxpayers out of billions of dollars, says Tevi Troy, former Deputy Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services and a visiting senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.

While statistics on fraud are somewhat hard to come by, the available numbers are truly frightening:
• A 2009 Government Accountability Office study found that 10.5 percent of Medicaid payments in fiscal year 2008 were improper.
• A Thompson Reuters study in October of 2009 found there to be somewhere between $600 billion and $850 billion annually in health care waste, which includes fraud but also inefficiency and medical errors.
• Nationwide estimates of fraud alone tend to estimate it between $60 billion and $100 billion.

Part of the reason for all of this waste is the way the government processes payments. It is under pressure to pay bills quickly so that providers and suppliers don't opt out of the system, and payments are investigated only if the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) or the Office of Inspector General (OIG) later discovers or is informed about some impropriety. By that point, the cash is hard to recover, says Troy.

During its effort to pass its health care bill, the Obama administration pressed the issue of waste, fraud and abuse. However, when it comes to ObamaCare's solutions, the program offers very little, says Troy:
• The new law achieves much of its "waste, fraud and abuse" savings not by cutting actual waste, fraud and abuse, but by scaling back the Medicare Advantage program.
• By spending a trillion taxpayer dollars in the current system, and specifically by putting 16 million more people on Medicaid, it actually increases the number of opportunities for fraud.
• And it does not take the bipartisan anti-fraud steps that President Obama appeared to embrace leading up to and following the February health care summit.

Ultimately, however, only the repeal of ObamaCare -- and a decisive move away from third-party payments -- will solve the problem that the president has just exacerbated, says Troy.

Source: Tevi Troy, "Calling All Con Artists," National Review, April 19, 2010.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 09:21 pm
@H2O MAN,
That's why help wanted signs are appearing in windows . . . unemployment is still high!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 09:22 pm
@H2O MAN,
You already drank it. You fail to realize that some Madison Ave whiz kid invented that slogan while laughing at the likes of you and Tea Totalitarians for being so gullible.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 09:23 pm
@realjohnboy,
No one is aware of the fraud. Hawkeye made it up as he sat in front of his keyboard.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 09:40 pm
@plainoldme,
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No one is aware of the fraud. Hawkeye made it up as he sat in front of his keyboard.
I have done enough to document my claim, if you think I am wrong prove it.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 09:45 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

No one is aware of the fraud. Hawkeye made it up as he sat in front of his keyboard.

Almost every government handout is riddled with fraud, pom.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2010 06:39 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

According to the Senate's rules, 60 or more votes are required to cut off debate and bring a proposed bill to a Senate vote. In 2005 and thereafter the Republicans could not get at leat 5 Democrat votes to add to the 55 Republican votes to bring their bill to rectify Fannie & Freddie to a Senate vote.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704671904575193910683111250.html
Fannie and Freddie Amnesia
Taxpayers are on the hook for about $400 billion, partly because Sen. Obama helped to block reform.Article Comments more in Opinion »Email
By PETER J. WALLISON

Now that nearly all the TARP funds used to bail out Wall Street banks have been repaid, the government sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stand out as the source of the greatest taxpayer losses.

The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that, in the wake of the housing bubble and the unprecedented deflation in housing values that resulted, the government's cost to bail out Fannie and Freddie will eventually reach $381 billion. That estimate may be too optimistic.
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He should know. As a senator, he was the third largest recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, behind only Sens. Chris Dodd and John Kerry.

With hypocrisy like this at the top, is it any wonder that nearly 80% of Americans, according to new Pew polling, don't trust the federal government or its ability to solve the country's problems?

Mr. Wallison is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.



Great post, ican. I deleted some of your quotes, but kept most of what I thought was highly pertinent, that being this whole debacle falls squarely on the shoulders of people like Dodd, Frank, and other Democrats, and now Obama also protecting his pals.




Slobbering Barney in 2005:
What Housing Bubble ???







.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2010 07:50 am
@plainoldme,
Are you really that blind?
Or is it that you cannot accept the fact that fraud goes along with ANY govt program, no matter what it is?
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