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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 8 Nov, 2009 01:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It's not that the DEMOCRATS's health plan is a joke; the whole DEMOCRAT party is a joke.

When more Americans begin to enjoy REPUBLICAN health insurance coverage and see the actions of the DEMOCRAT party to deny them this important service, I hope the DEMOCRAT party will disappear from Washington DC. They are destructive to our country and society, and people will see that RHC is a benefit for all Americans - paid for by Americans - that actually benefits Americans.

DEMOCRATS prefer to spend billions on WEALTH REDISTRIBUTIONS around the USA.

Even children know better!

cicerone imposter wrote:
That's what happens when the government spends money without the necessary controls and regulations. That's the reason why I'm against all this spending that only increases our deficit, and does very little of what they claim as job creation and job savers. They're a bunch of incompetents that should be thrown out of office.


THE CHANGE THAT IS TRULY REQUIRED

Too many Americans have discovered how to vote themselves money from federal government tax revenues. They do this by electing candidates who ignore our Constitution and promise to vote and do vote these Americans money from federal government tax revenues. As a result we are losing our freedom and abundance to our envy and resentment, and ultimately to our dependency and bondage.

To stop and reverse this damnable trend, we must find and support candidates who shun the politics of envy and resentment for the politics of freedom; for the politics of securing our God given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that are secured when we support our Constitution. Who among the future candidates will shun the politics of envy and resentment for the politics of freedom and support our Constitution? Indeed, who among all of us Americans will shun the politics of envy and resentment for the politics of freedom and support of our Constitution?

For us to be true Americans, we must root for everyone to become the best they can be, and we must stop seeking to suppress those who accomplish more than we do. We are all made better off when any among us lawfully make themselves better off. We are all made worse off when any among us unlawfully make others worse off.
teenyboone
 
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Reply Sun 8 Nov, 2009 06:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
..And when the Repugs leave, they can take "smokin Joe Lieberman" with them!
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 8 Nov, 2009 07:28 pm
@teenyboone,
..And when the DEMOCS leave, they can take "PUKIN NANCY PELOSI" with them!
teenyboone
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 12:55 pm
@ican711nm,
....And when the REPUGS leave, they can taking CRYIN', WHININ' (Ah'm bitchin' cause I can't have my way), John "the baby" Bohener with em', TOO! So Bi-Partisan when he WANTS to be as in, as long as Bush was in the WH!
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 01:55 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:

When more Americans begin to enjoy REPUBLICAN health insurance coverage


Pff; this will never happen. The Republicans are not in control of either House of Congress and will not win control in the next election.

And besides, when they are in control, they have no interest whatsoever in passing any sort of health-care reform. They had plenty of opportunity - 12 or more years, IIRC - and did nothing on the issue. What makes you think they will do so if they get a chance again? What benefit for them is there in doing so?

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 03:06 pm
@teenyboone,
Lieberman is a redcoat who only changed his color to get votes and nothing else.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 04:58 pm
@teenyboone,
And when the DEMOCS leave, they can TAKE THEIR LIBELING AND SLANDERING WITH THEM (Ah'm LIBELING AND SLANDERING cause I can't MAKE A RATIONAL ARGUMENT TO REFUTE WHAT THE REPUGS SAY), BARNEY "the FOOL" FRANKS with em', TOO! So Bi-Partisan when IT SOUNDS GOOD TO SAY!
teenyboone
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 05:37 pm
@ican711nm,
And #2, YOU'RE OFF da hook!
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 05:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Besides always looking constipated and sounding like it, what do the Dems owe Joe? I mean, he is FROM the insurance State! Is it an elk or moose that represents The Hartford? THEY are his "bread and butter"! He feeds at the Tit of that Elk, like Romulus and Remus fed from Mother Wolf! Why isn't Dodd like him, too?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 06:13 pm
@teenyboone,
I recently read about Joe and his connection to the health insurance industry; they're all scum! Only the republicans cheer because most are in the same "boat." Sad to say, even some democrats belong in that group of chumps.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 07:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
As opposed to, say, Arlan Specter?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 07:25 pm
@roger,
Spector is one of many, and they include, but not limited to, Baucus, Dodd, Udall, Warner, Meek, etc., etc.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 07:57 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn, your apparent certainty that Americans will NEVER begin to enjoy Republican health insurance coverage, and the Republicans will not win control of either house of congress in the next election is intriguing. What do you think you know that I don't know, And/Or what do you think you know differently than I do?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 08:57 pm
Quote:
How the Government Is Swallowing the Economy
By Rick Newman
On 10:59 am EST, Monday November 9, 2009
Buzz up! 0 Print.You know about the bailouts, the stimulus plan, cash for clunkers, and moola for mansions. But for all the anxiety they've caused, those government giveaways are just a tiny part of a mushrooming problem.

By one measure, the government already plays an outsize role in our so-called free-market economy--and it has little to do with the recession. Economist Gary Shilling has calculated that 58 percent of the population is dependent on the government for "major parts of their income," including teachers, soldiers, bureaucrats, and other government employees; welfare and Social Security recipients; government pensioners; public housing beneficiaries; and people who work for government contractors. By 2018, Shilling estimates, an astounding 67 percent of Americans could be dependent on the government for their livelihood. The implications aren't comforting.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/How-the-Government-Is-usnews-2224998074.html?x=0

The know it all A2K leftists will of course continue to mock and demean the conservatives who charge the America is turning socialist. Let us resolve to continue to never allow the facts to get in the way of our pet political theory......
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 09:16 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn, your apparent certainty that Americans will NEVER begin to enjoy Republican health insurance coverage, and the Republicans will not win control of either house of congress in the next election is intriguing. What do you think you know that I don't know, And/Or what do you think you know differently than I do?


http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/03/28/61/032861_ph4.jpg

I'm sure there are a great many things I know that you don't, Avi.

But mostly I know how to both do math and look at the election schedule in the House and Senate. Here. Educate yourself -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2010

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2010

Republicans would have to sweep the election in order to take control of the Senate. This is extremely unlikely, as their approval numbers are in the toilet and large parts of your party are currently busy promising to primary anyone who isn' super-conservative and run third-party challengers to many who are supported by the RNC. There are also twice as many retiring incumbents in the Republican party as the Democratic party this cycle as well; more open seats means more to defend, money gets spread around thinner.

The house is a better picture for Republicans, and it would be difficult to see the Dems not losing some seats this year. They've basically expanded into every district they can reasonably get at this point. However; Republican ratings in the House are also in the toilet, and many of them are in districts which voted for Obama pretty heavily. There are also twice as many retiring incumbents for the Republicans, just as in the Senate.

In order to take control of the House, the Republicans would have to equal the gains Newt saw in 1994. Right now I don't see that happening and if you were honest with yourself, you'd agree. There have been 5 special elections for national seats since the main election in Nov. 2008; all 5 national elections have been won by the Democratic candidate, including NY-23 last week and a district in CA. There's no real evidence that a huge resurgence is on the way. You certainly have no unified leadership at this point and no positive platform to point to.

What do you look at, and come to the conclusion that the Republicans will win either house next year?

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2009 03:07 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2010
The Senate is currently composed of 58 Democrats, 40 Republicans, and two independents"Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Bernie Sanders of Vermont"both of whom caucus with the Democrats. Of the seats expected to be up for election in 2010, 16 are held by Democrats and 18 by Republicans.

Assuming the Republicans hold on to their current seats in the Senate, for the Republicans to regain a majority of the Senate, the Democrats would have to lose 11 of their 16 seats up for election in 2010. That, of course, assumes none of the two independents will choose to side with the Republicans.

Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2010
...
Elections will be held for all 435 seats, representing the 50 U.S. states.
...
However, by late September 2009, Rothenberg change his predictions, writing that the "national political landscape has changed noticeably over the past few months, with Republicans the beneficiaries" and that "Democratic control of the House is not now at risk."[27] In a May 2009 column for his Crystal Ball newsletter, Larry Sabato wrote "History instead suggests that the overall odds favor Republican gains in the House in 2010, but relatively modest gains. After all, Democrats now hold 257 House seats, 39 seats more than the minimum needed to control the House. Only Truman in 1946 and Clinton in 1994 yielded more than 39 seats to the opposition party in their first midterm election."[28] In an August 2009 column, Charlie Cook wrote that things had "slipped completely out of control" for the Democrats in 2010. He wrote that it was increasingly likely that the GOP could make big gains in 2010, but avoided any mention of the possibility that Republicans could regain control of the chamber.[29] In an August prediction, Nate Silver wrote that the Democrats would suffer a loss of between 20 to 50 seats in the 2010 House elections.[30] In another August prediction, Silver wrote "While the Democrats are not extraordinary likely to lose the House, such an outcome is certainly well within the realm of possibility (I'd put the chance at somewhere between 1-in-4 and 1-in-3)." [31] In September 2009, an article titled "Generic House Polling Suggests the Republicans Could Regain the House in 2010" was published on Silver's blog, FiveThirtyEight.com.

Republicans now hold (435 - 257) = 178 seats. Assuming the Republicans hold on to their current seats, to gain a majority in the House they require at least a total of 218 seats (218 - 178) = 40 more seats.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2009 04:23 pm
@ican711nm,
Okay, good. You have educated yourself.

Now what about that situation says to you that Republicans will take either house back this coming election cycle?

Cycloptichorn
teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2009 04:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes, sorry to say. That's why the game is called "politics". It's a down and dirty game, where the only losers are us!
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2009 05:50 pm
Good evening! I invite yall to drop in on a new thread that should be fun:
Oh, No! Election Day is November 2nd, 2010
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 10 Nov, 2009 05:54 pm

Quote:
Pelosi Healthcare Bill Has Hidden Tax on Young

Monday, November 9, 2009 9:55 AM

By: Gene J. Koprowski

The under-30 crowd that clamored for Barack Obama last year needs to brace for a change they won’t believe: The return of income tax “bracket creep,” according to The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page.
“Buried in Nancy Pelosi's health-care bill is a provision that will partially repeal tax indexing for inflation, meaning that as their earnings rise over a lifetime, these youngsters can look forward to paying higher rates even if their income gains aren't real", the editors write.

This is budget trickery at its worst. To raise money to make their plan appear as if it won't add to the federal deficit, House Democrats have intentionally not indexed the main tax feature of their plan: the $500,000 threshold for the 5.4-percentage-point income tax surcharge, and the tax on small businesses which don’t provide health insurance benefits.

“This is a sneaky way for politicians to pry more money out of workers every year without having to legislate tax increases,” write the editors.

The effects of failing to index compounds, generating a revenue windfall for government as time passes.

“Americans of a certain age have seen this movie before. In 1960, only 3 percent of tax filers paid a 30 percent or higher marginal tax rate. By 1980, after the inflation of the 1970s, the share was closer to 33 percent,” the editors write.

“These stealth tax increases were widely seen to be unjust. And in 1981, as part of the Reagan tax cuts, a bipartisan coalition voted to index the tax brackets for inflation.”

Overseas, the center-right coalition of German Chancellor Angela Merkel is taking the lessons of Reagan approach to economic stimulus, ending Germany’s “bracket creep,” as a way to boost the recovery there, reports Zeit Online.

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