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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 01:56 pm
Lots of stuff in the news about foreclosures today; not much of it new.

I wish that the Obama foreclosure/modification plan focused on lowering the loan amounts as opposed to the interest rates for people's homes. That would have gone further in preventing foreclosures I imagine.

The problem that people have is that they cannot sell their homes because they do not have any equity.

By lowering the principle owed, you allow people to sell their homes instead of foreclosing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/whyobamashousingrescuehasntpreventedrecordforeclosures
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Why Obama's Housing Rescue Hasn't Prevented Record Foreclosures

After taking withering criticism for the Department-of-Motor-Vehicles pace of its initial efforts to keep struggling borrowers out of foreclosure, the Obama administration proudly announced last week that it had hit its goal of 500,000 trial loan modifications almost a month ahead of schedule. But with the foreclosure rate hitting a new record in the third quarter, the government's ability to put a meaningful dent in the tally of housing-crisis victims faces renewed skepticism.


Foreclosure filings were reported on 937,840 homes in the three-month period, a 23 percent jump from a year earlier, according to a report real estate firm RealtyTrac released Thursday. Home foreclosures in September, meanwhile, decreased 4 percent from August but remained 29 percent higher than a year earlier. "REO activity increased from the previous quarter in all but two states and the District of Columbia, indicating that lenders may be starting to work through some of the pent-up foreclosure inventory caused by legislative delays, loan modification efforts, and high volumes of distressed properties," RealtyTrac CEO James Saccacio said in a press release. Here's a look at why home foreclosures continue to break records even in the face of the Obama administration's expansive efforts to prevent them.

1. Initial foreclosure wave: Borrowers who overleveraged themselves--through exotic mortgage products like subprime or adjustable-rate home loans--played a central role in the foreclosure crisis when it first picked up steam. But as the housing crisis rumbles forward, lenders have witnessed a significant shift in the types of mortgages going delinquent. For example, the Mortgage Bankers Association's most recent National Delinquency survey, released in late August, found that although "the rate of new foreclosures started was essentially unchanged from last quarter's record high, there was a major drop in foreclosures on subprime ARM loans. The drop, however, was offset by increases in the foreclosure rates on the other types of loans, with prime fixed-rate loans having the biggest increase."


2. Current foreclosure crisis: Mounting mortgage delinquencies for borrowers with good credit is a key indication that the labor market--rather than resetting loans--is the most significant force behind the foreclosure crisis we see today. "Keep in mind that most of the foreclosures we saw a year ago [occurred] when the unemployment rate was 5 percent, so really the first wave of foreclosures were driven by subprime loans [and] resetting loans," says Guy Cecala, publisher of Inside Mortgage Finance. Today, however, a national unemployment rate of nearly 10 percent is triggering "a whole new wave" of homeowners going into foreclosures on account of job losses, Cecala says.


[See Obama's Loan Modification Plan: 7 Things You Need to Know.]


3. Fighting the last war: The Obama administration announced in mid-February a sweeping effort to stabilize the housing market. A central plank was a $75 billion initiative to reduce monthly mortgage payments for as many as 4 million struggling homeowners through so-called mortgage modifications. But in order to obtain a mortgage modification, borrowers need an income stream, Cecala says. In a report released October 9, the congressional oversight panel monitoring the rescue suggested that the administration might be fighting the last war. "[The administration's mortgage modification program] was not designed to address foreclosures caused by unemployment, which now appears to be a central cause of nonpayment," the panel said in its report. "The foreclosure crisis has moved beyond subprime mortgages and into the prime mortgage market. It increasingly appears that [the program] is targeted at the housing crisis as it existed six months ago, rather than as it exists right now." In addition, foreclosure starts are occurring at more than twice the rate that trial modifications are extended, and there is no guarantee that homeowners won't simply redefault on their restructured mortgage, the panel said in the report.


4. Modified impact: Still, the administration's efforts are not without impact. "Originally, the expectations were that loan modifications were going to stop foreclosures and reduce the rate, and we would see immediate results. That was obviously wishful thinking," Cecala says. "Now we are of the belief that they are going to do absolutely nothing. The truth is somewhere in between." Celia Chen, the director of housing economics at Moody's Economy.com, expects that the program will modify around 1.5 million mortgages over the next three years. "That's a substantial number," she says. However, "even with those modifications, we expect that the number of foreclosure sales that will occur for this year will be around 1.9 million, and next year will just be a tad shy of that." (Chen is projecting roughly 1.8 million foreclosure sales in 2010.)


[See Principal Write-Downs Make for Better Loan Modifications--but Nobody Does It.]


5. Predicting the peak: Cecala says the unemployment rate will have to peak before we can expect to see a meaningful and sustainable reduction in the number of home foreclosures. In its 2010 economic forecast, the MBA projected that the unemployment rate would peak at 10.2 percent in the second quarter of next year. For that reason, Cecala expects home foreclosures to let up sometime in the middle of 2010. "We certainly have enough bad loans in the system . . . to keep foreclosures at record levels going through the first half of next year," he says. "So maybe a year from now we will see some letup, but we are not sure."



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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 02:17 pm
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Cecala expects home foreclosures to let up sometime in the middle of 2010. "We certainly have enough bad loans in the system . . . to keep foreclosures at record levels going through the first half of next year," he says. "So maybe a year from now we will see some letup, but we are not sure."


Cecala needs to look a lot further out than 3rd qtr 2010. By the 3rd qtr of 2010 we'll be up to our eyeballs in Alt-A and option-ARM resets.

http://www.ezimages.net/upload/5MIN/Mortgageresets.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 02:31 pm
@JPB,
JPB, I agree with you! The biggest problem isn't just home foreclosures, but commercial property foreclosures. Many small businesses are going bankrupt, and are leaving shopping and strip malls by the thousands - probably every day as more people lose their jobs and more companies cut back on hours.

There are too many mixed messages for us to comprehend, but as long as job losses continues, the economic recovery will be stretched further ahead by years. Talking about recovery now is premature.

With lost tax revenues, even governments are struggling to see any improvement, and are cutting back services. Most governments are incompetently managed, and they are unable to cut more staff and benefits as the economy demands.

We're all in the same boat.

realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 02:38 pm
Thanks, Maporsche and JPB, for two interesting posts re home foreclosures. I am going to have to mull over things a bit.
(Speaking of mulling, please do that and pick in the NFL thing).
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 02:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
and ci, the alt-A and option-ARMs aren't the commercial mortgages. Those are mostly represented by the "agency" loans in the graph. alt-A and option-ARMs are the next wave of residential mortgage resets. One estimate has 75-80% of all residential mortgages being underwater by 2012.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 02:59 pm
@JPB,
For those of us who will be purchasing a home in the next 5-8 years, that doesn't sound like all that bad a situation, especially here in CA. Prices ought to have returned to some semblance of normalcy by then.

Cycloptichorn
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 03:06 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Probably true, cyclo. Don't count your chickens yet though - most of your income is going to go to paying for medicare coverage for the elderly by then Wink
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 03:07 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Probably true, cyclo. Don't count your chickens yet though - most of your income is going to go to paying for medicare coverage for the elderly by then Wink


Lol, we'll have the Death Panels to sort that out, of course.

Cycloptichorn
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 03:47 pm
YES!!! Someone in the MSM is finally starting to write about the long-term effects of this non-recovery.

Quote:
Failure to curb runaway deficits could trigger a financial train wreck that would push interest rates and inflation higher, and send the dollar crashing if foreigners suddenly started dumping their holdings of Treasury securities.

...

President Barack Obama has pledged to reduce the deficit once the recession ends and the unemployment rate starts falling. But economists worry the government lacks the will to make the hard political choices to cut spending and raise taxes to get control of the imbalances.

The entire article is excellent.


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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 04:13 pm
Back to home foreclosures. Would I be correct, Maporcshe, in summarizing the article as suggesting that: The 1st wave was attributable to bad loans being made by banks to buyers who weren't qualified? The 2nd wave was/is due to the unemployment situation we are now experiencing where even folks who were qualified can't meet the mortgage payments? And a 3rd wave will occur, according to JPB's chart for 2010-2011, when there will be many upward interest rate adjustments?
Are we sort of on the same page? Thanks.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 04:23 pm
@realjohnboy,
That's right. If you look at the chart, the green (sub-prime, or those not qualifying for prime loans) spike was in 2007-08 and beyond 2009 there are almost no sub-prime loans waiting to reset (have a rate adjustment). That's because they generally had 3-5 year resets and no-one is writing sub-prime mortgages any longer. There was supposed to be a "reprieve" in 2009 (shown as a dip in the overall height of bars in the number of resets expected on all types of adjustable mortgages) but we aren't getting that dip in foreclosure rates because of the unemployment problem. This time it's prime mortgage holders who are leading the default/foreclosures because they don't have jobs and can't make their payments.

Beginning next year we start to see the peak of alt-A loans (not sub-prime, but not quite prime) and then the option-ARMs (million dollar plus mortgages!!!). Notice that the peak in these very high balance mortgages equal and eventually exceed the value of the sub-prime losses we saw in 2007-08. This isn't because there are more of them but because they are very high value mortgages and it doesn't take many million-dollar defaults to equal a whole neighborhood of sub-primes in value.

And, running underneath all of these residential resets are the commercial RE resets (shown in grey)
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 05:29 pm
@JPB,
Oh -- and the reset values just represent potential defaults from adjustable mortgages. There are plenty of folks defaulting on conventional mortgages due to the economy.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 05:30 pm
@JPB,
Yeah, and if you notice, the grey doesn't really peak until the end of 2011.

I've shifted over 60% of my YTD gains into my intermediate bond funds today, because I believe inflation is in our future. Even if I guess wrong, I still have some investments in the funds that shows the most gains this year, so not all will be lost.

spendius
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 05:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Check out ci. whether folk like you are increasing or decreasing. That will give you a good idea where the US economy is headed.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 22 Oct, 2009 08:20 am
I just don't see how some people can claim the recession is over. I don't see how it will really recover until we get this bunch out of Congress and the Whitehouse with their adversarial attitude toward us, the producers out here, and free markets out here.

"New Unemployment Claims Rise More Than Expected to 531,000
The Labor Department said new jobless claims rose to a seasonally adjusted 531,000 last week, from an upwardly revised 520,000 the previous week. Wall Street economists had expected only a slight increase, according to Thomson Reuters."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/22/new-unemployment-claims-rise-expected/
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 23 Oct, 2009 07:13 am
@okie,
okie, You are an idiot! You expect Obama and this congress to reverse the deepest recession our country has ever had in nine months that Bush created in eight years.

Your brain is damaged too much for any cure.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 23 Oct, 2009 09:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, You are an idiot! You expect Obama and this congress to reverse the deepest recession our country has ever had in nine months that Bush created in eight years.

Your brain is damaged too much for any cure.


No. I do not expect him to reverse the recession. But, he talked about job creation with so much confidence, in my opinion, I thought by now the unemployment would have been reversed. The rhetoric leaves a credibility gap, I believe. Did FDR have the WPA in place by this time, during FDR's watch?
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 23 Oct, 2009 09:52 pm
@Foofie,
no.
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rabel22
 
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Reply Fri 23 Oct, 2009 11:47 pm
@Foofie,
Do you really expect obama to fix up in 9 months what Bush took 8 years to create. Git real!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 24 Oct, 2009 09:45 am
@rabel22,
What many of the conservatives also forget is that the first TARP funds were approved by Bush; they than come back and scream about the redistribution of wealth.

They have no consistency in their arguments.
 

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