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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 02:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
One anecdote about doctor's pay; I've mentioned this on a2k some years ago.

My brother is a physician, and he complained about the cuts in Medicare reimbursements - this was about 15-years ago. I laughed at him, and told him he still makes more than most workers by mulitiples.

He also had 29 doctors working for him and his partner. He owns a lot of property in Orange County in Southern California.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 02:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Let's see, we have massive bubbles (misallocation of resources) and a failure to judge risk, plus massive price instability....that adds up to an financial system that does not work.


Which system works better?

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Those "massive bubbles" were exacerbated by greed; the banks and finance companies gave loans to people who could never repay the loans while they created over-valued derivatives that they traded at ever increasing values that were never there. The SEC failed to do their jobs.


Hindsight. The values were there at the time. And a lot of houses got built and improved and somebody will live in them. You give the impression ci. that you would prefer mud huts so long as your naive economic theses remain undeflowered.

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There are always exceptions to everything, however on average the American gets a horrible education compared to Europe and Asia.


In which case don't you think you would be well advised to take more notice of me than you do.

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There will always exist "exceptions to everything," but the difference is the opportunities provided to the American educated student.


Which seem from here to be the envy of the world. The opportunities provided to the American educated student are the best in known history.

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The US still provides the most in R&D, and investments in new companies.


I hope you were standing the right way up for that one.

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His plan is to pay doctors and hospitals less per event, doctors are already getting relatively poor pay and hospitals are awash in red ink. The entire medical system is on the brink of collapse because we don't pay as we go, paying less is not at option. We must keep people more healthy and ration care, until Obama steps up to the plate with a combination of these two he has nothing.


Grandiose oversimplification to the point of absolute absurdity.

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doctors are already getting relatively poor pay

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Most doctors are not "underpaid." My nephew works at Queens Hospital in Honolulu as an Intensivist, and his salary is around $300 grand. On average, doctors still enjoy the highest pay.


Uum!!

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(I've never heard Bush make this kind of offer during his eight years in office.)


Do you never wonder why? Mr Obama's daughters might be collecting used postage stamps. Or waste paper.

Have you had a glass of beer ci? You seem a bit confused to me.

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genoves
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 02:23 pm
Cicerone Imposter wrote:

My brother is a physician, and he complained about the cuts in Medicare reimbursements - this was about 15-years ago. I laughed at him, and told him he still makes more than most workers by mulitiples.

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for God's sake, man, what are you waiting for? Get his recommendation for a good neurologist. You are babbling more and more lately. Early onset Alzheimer's? Dementia?

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Since you are a clueless idiot, you probably do not know that the Average Physician in the USA far less than a low level director at Goldman Sachs.

Why don't you do some reading--if you are able to--that is--

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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 02:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
That's why I put 'foreign commerce' on the Federal government's side as its responsibility. But again the government should make the schedule, negotiate the rules and terms, and appoint the referees. It should not otherwise involve itself in the free market or we have no free market or we seriously interrupt it. And government absolutely should not be running the store.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 02:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Those "massive bubbles" were exacerbated by greed; the banks and finance companies gave loans to people who could never repay the loans while they created over-valued derivatives that they traded at ever increasing values that were never there. The SEC failed to do their jobs


The SEC failed, because they did what the private sector wanted, did not protect the interests of the US Citizens. That is not a ringing endorsement of the private sectors as it exists today, not only was the private sector wrong but they also corrupted government to get their way which made them wrong again.

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There will always exist "exceptions to everything," but the difference is the opportunities provided to the American educated student. The US still provides the most in R&D, and investments in new companies.

Great, and huge numbers of the grad students and those getting R&D dollars are not US citizens, so this is actually an example of the American taxpayer subsidizing the citizens of other nations. The companies that get the patents and thus make the profits are also increasingly not US (or even primarily US) companies.
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Most doctors are not "underpaid." My nephew works at Queens Hospital in Honolulu as an Intensivist, and his salary is around $300 grand. On average, doctors still enjoy the highest pay.


Are you serious? I had you pegged for a serious thinker not a nut job....if you want to talk about average pay then talk about average pay, not what one person whom you know makes. The average primary care doctor makes just north of $100 k a year, which is not much considering the hours they work and the medical school debt and the number of years they must train to get into the profession http://www.payscale.com/research/US/People_with_Jobs_as_Physicians_%2F_Doctors/Salary

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We all see urgency in different ways; it's no different for Obama and his team of advisers. I'm sure they're prioritizing their projects to invest in the long-term health of our economy. If you have a better plan, write to Obama; he's willing to listen to advice. (I've never heard Bush make this kind of offer during his eight years in office.)


There are lots of plans, lots of changes in the plans, and lots of claims about the plans. I however don't hear any roadmap, don't see anyone even claiming that the plans fit together as an organized effort to get to a particular place. It is shades of Clinton, lots of programs and plans that are likely to add up to nothing long term just as the Clinton 8 years did. Because the foundation was never built, it was a house built upon sand.

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You just don't see the "plan," because you always see the glass as half empty


Obama might have a plan, but he has never articulated a plan, and never sold America on a plan, which is why I don't see a plan. It has nothing to do with my biases.

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You may believe whatever you wish about the stock market, but without commercial enterprise and its ability to provide long-term rewards for investing, all capitalism will cease to exist. Your fear mongering will get you nowhere


If we are going to have our economy primarily in the hands of corporate interests then we need to do stuff like have equity markets that are valuated to the long term prospects of companies. I don't take any thrills from stock markets becoming Vegas betting parlors, I am telling it like it is. Reporting failed systems is not fear mongering at any rate, it is an invitation to fix ****.

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Go back to what FDR said. Your fears are irrational without any hope for our future.


Perhaps, but we have over the last two years certainly rediscovered that markets are irrational, haven't we.
genoves
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 02:33 pm
Here are the salaries for Physicians--




(800) 748-6320
(714) 685-1047
Physician Compensation Survey -
In Practice Three Plus Years


Specialty Average
Lowest
Highest


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Primary Care
Family Practice
Internal Medicine
Pediatrics 147,516
160,318
149,754
111,894
117,984
111,113
197,025
205,096
201,086


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Primary Care Surgical
OB-GYN
Ophthalmology
Otolaryngology 248,294
256,872
264,878
184,045
161,763
180,084
350,455
417,000
392,890


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Internal Medicine Specialties
Endocrinology
Neurology
Hematology/Oncology
Pulmonary
Rheumatology
Nephrology
Gastroenterology
Cardiology 170,102
196,563
269,298
218,978
165,218
233,824
292,133
317,500
123,984
130,872
155,475
143,229
119,076
161,039
179,000
205,000
221,633
252,765
473,000
280,278
218,113
405,142
381,340
450,607


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Surgical Specialties
General Surgery
Cardiovascular Surgery
Colon/Rectal Surgery
Neuro Surgery
Oral & Maxillofacial
Orthopedic Surgery
Plastic Surgery
Urology
Vascular Surgery 261,276
558,719
291,199
438,426
208,340
357,224
306,047
285,356
359,339
175,314
351,108
186,000
279,655
157,404
237,731
196,711
180,808
237,525
364,279
852,717
420,175
713,961
352,879
540,524
411,500
375,000
636,995


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Miscellaneous Specialties
Dermatology
Psychiatry 232,000
174,658
168,988
121,000
407,000
189,499


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Hospital Based
Anesthesiology
Radiology
Emergency Medicine 301,802
347,380
210,830
219,850
225,181
160,000
392,960
429,716
250,000


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The Doctors better hurry--When Obuma gets his hands on the Country's Medical System, they will be in real trouble--THEY WILL BE SALARIED!!!

W hen the 5:00 bell rings, the neurologist will leave the patient on the table and say--See here, Harry, it's quitting time for me--Will you take over?
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genoves
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 02:38 pm
Hawkeye 10 hit it right on the button when he wrote:
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Obama might have a plan, but he has never articulated a plan, and never sold America on a plan, which is why I don't see a plan. It has nothing to do with my biases.

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Anyone who has read of the Medical situation in Canada may know that the Canandian Supreme Court ruled that laws against the issuance of private insurance were unconstitutional. The case was brought by a man who needed,needed, needed, a hip replacement because of intense pain but had to get in line. He wanted to purchase individual private insurance. Canada's screwed up medical system did not allow such a thing.

Now he can!!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 05:21 pm
@hawkeye10,
Re: cicerone imposter (Post 3676164)
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Those "massive bubbles" were exacerbated by greed; the banks and finance companies gave loans to people who could never repay the loans while they created over-valued derivatives that they traded at ever increasing values that were never there. The SEC failed to do their jobs


The SEC failed, because they did what the private sector wanted, did not protect the interests of the US Citizens. That is not a ringing endorsement of the private sectors as it exists today, not only was the private sector wrong but they also corrupted government to get their way which made them wrong again.

No, the SEC failed because they were asleep at the switch.


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There will always exist "exceptions to everything," but the difference is the opportunities provided to the American educated student. The US still provides the most in R&D, and investments in new companies.

Great, and huge numbers of the grad students and those getting R&D dollars are not US citizens, so this is actually an example of the American taxpayer subsidizing the citizens of other nations. The companies that get the patents and thus make the profits are also increasingly not US (or even primarily US) companies.


Yes, an increasing number of advanced degrees are being earned by foreign students, but many also stay in the US to work for US companies - which helps our economy.

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Most doctors are not "underpaid." My nephew works at Queens Hospital in Honolulu as an Intensivist, and his salary is around $300 grand. On average, doctors still enjoy the highest pay.



Are you serious? I had you pegged for a serious thinker not a nut job....if you want to talk about average pay then talk about average pay, not what one person whom you know makes. The average primary care doctor makes just north of $100 k a year, which is not much considering the hours they work and the medical school debt and the number of years they must train to get into the profession http://www.payscale.com/research/US/People_with_Jobs_as_Physicians_%2F_Doctors/Salary


I did by my subsequent post that shows three ranges of salaries for most MD specialties. If you don't believe in those numbers, it's up to you to prove their inaccuracy.
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We all see urgency in different ways; it's no different for Obama and his team of advisers. I'm sure they're prioritizing their projects to invest in the long-term health of our economy. If you have a better plan, write to Obama; he's willing to listen to advice. (I've never heard Bush make this kind of offer during his eight years in office.)



There are lots of plans, lots of changes in the plans, and lots of claims about the plans. I however don't hear any roadmap, don't see anyone even claiming that the plans fit together as an organized effort to get to a particular place. It is shades of Clinton, lots of programs and plans that are likely to add up to nothing long term just as the Clinton 8 years did. Because the foundation was never built, it was a house built upon sand.


Roadmaps should be changed depending on current and future circumstances. Plans are always changed by the best of managers who understand that five year plans are always revised to meet current and future circumstances. That's the basis of good management. (I have worked in management for most of my working career.)

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You just don't see the "plan," because you always see the glass as half empty

Obama might have a plan, but he has never articulated a plan, and never sold America on a plan, which is why I don't see a plan. It has nothing to do with my biases.


All one needs to do to "see" Obama's plans is to go to the White House web site. Most of it are all there for anybody to read.

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You may believe whatever you wish about the stock market, but without commercial enterprise and its ability to provide long-term rewards for investing, all capitalism will cease to exist. Your fear mongering will get you nowhere

If we are going to have our economy primarily in the hands of corporate interests then we need to do stuff like have equity markets that are valuated to the long term prospects of companies. I don't take any thrills from stock markets becoming Vegas betting parlors, I am telling it like it is. Reporting failed systems is not fear mongering at any rate, it is an invitation to fix ****.


I've been tracking the stock market for most of my adult life; most day-traders have lost their money, but the long-term investors have done fairly well - even better than investing in gold. It's been my observation that those who let others manage their funds have done worse than the average investor. Nobody should let others manage their money; it doesn't hurt them to lose your money. That's a good lesson to remember.

That you see the stock market "becoming Vegas betting parlors" doesn't impact the serious long-term investor. Most will lose their shirts. I'm not worried about "them."

I retired in 1998 after 30-years, and have been able to travel the world. Our retirement funds are still very healthy, and we don't have to worry about our living standard changing. I've managed most of our retirement funds and investments until my retirement. I sold our income property and transferred our retirement funds to Vanguard - paying them a discounted fee (because of the value of our total investments) to help with the mix of funds to protect our assets.

Most people lost 30% or more last year, but our funds lost about half that.
Considering all the good years, and the fact that we've been withdrawing funds during our retirement, we're still in very good shape. Our net equity is worth about 70% of our wages earned.


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Go back to what FDR said. Your fears are irrational without any hope for our future.

Perhaps, but we have over the last two years certainly rediscovered that markets are irrational, haven't we.


The markets have operated from day-to-day mostly on emotion; the wrong way to invest in the market; always look long-term performance.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 05:24 pm
Doctors deserve all they get. What a job. I would rather hump sacks of coal.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 05:45 pm
@spendius,
How many times have you done that, spendi?
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 05:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I didn't say I had.
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genoves
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 03:01 am
Hawkeye 10 hit it right on the button when he wrote:
quote
Obama might have a plan, but he has never articulated a plan, and never sold America on a plan, which is why I don't see a plan. It has nothing to do with my biases.

end of quote

Anyone who has read of the Medical situation in Canada may know that the Canandian Supreme Court ruled that laws against the issuance of private insurance were unconstitutional. The case was brought by a man who needed,needed, needed, a hip replacement because of intense pain but had to get in line. He wanted to purchase individual private insurance. Canada's screwed up medical system did not allow such a thing.

Now he can!!!
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 06:02 pm
Poll: Solid support for Obama's economic plan
NBC/WSJ poll also shows concern for the cost of the stimulus package
By Mark Murray
Deputy political director
NBC News
updated 3:32 p.m. PT, Wed., Jan. 14, 2009

WASHINGTON - A solid plurality of the American public supports the economic stimulus plan that President-elect Barack Obama has proposed, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

But the public also is concerned that the stimulus’ price tag might be too expensive and would increase the U.S. deficit.

“They want to do something and want to see it done,” says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff. “But what they’re warning [Obama] collectively is " be careful.”

Obama’s stimulus package, which his team estimates will cost some $775 billion, includes:
# Distributing $500 in tax credits to individuals (and $1,000 to families)
# Providing money for shovel-ready construction projects
# Increasing production of renewable energy
# Expanding unemployment benefits and government-assisted health insurance.

According to the poll, 43 percent believe the stimulus is a good idea, compared to 27 percent who think it’s a bad one, and 24 percent who don't have an opinion.

Popular details in the stimulus
The individual parts of the stimulus are much more popular.

Eighty-nine percent support the creation of new jobs through increased production of renewable energy (as well as making public buildings and schools more energy efficient). And 85 percent think it’s a good idea to generate jobs through the repair and construction of roads and bridges.

In addition, 67 percent approve of the the tax cuts in the stimulus plan, and 65 percent agree with the expansion of unemployment insurance and government-assisted health insurance.

This support isn’t too surprising given that nearly three-fourths of Americans believe that the current economic recession will continue for at least another year " and perhaps even longer.

By comparison, 4 percent believe that the recession is almost over or will be in the next six months.

Yet there is a warning sign for Obama in this poll: 60 percent say they’re concerned that the government will spend too much money in trying to stimulate the economy, ultimately increasing the size of the deficit.

McInturff speculates that negative opinions regarding the cost and implementation of the government’s earlier financial bailout are making the public a bit gun-shy about the size of the stimulus package.

“Right now, the Obama economic stimulus is wrapped around perceptions about the bailout.”

Obama’s honeymoon continues
The NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll " taken of 1,007 adults (101 reached by cell phone) from Jan. 9-12, and which has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points " comes after a few bumps in Obama’s otherwise smooth transition to power.

Those bumps include the allegations that Illinois Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich was attempting to sell Obama’s Senate seat; Blagojevich’s surprise appointment of Roland Burris to the seat, setting off a Senate battle over whether Democratic leaders would seat him; and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson’s withdrawal as commerce secretary nominee after links to an alleged pay-to-play scheme surfaced.

But these haven’t stopped Obama from continuing to enjoy a honeymoon with the public since winning the presidential contest last November.

In the poll, 71 percent say they approve of the way Obama is handling his transition " a number virtually unchanged from last month’s survey.

Also, 66 percent view Obama positively, versus just 14 percent who see him in a negative light. And while 55 percent say they like Obama personally and approve of most of his policies, an additional 22 percent say they like him personally but disapprove of his policies.

“He has gotten his honeymoon before he has taken his vows of office,” says Hart, the Democratic pollster.

Yet Hart also points to a few issues where Obama seems to have “narrow running room.” For example, 52 percent say they’re concerned that Obama will go too far in providing financial aid and loans to corporations that are facing bankruptcy; 49 percent are concerned that he will make the health-care system large and too bureaucratic; and another 49 percent are concerned that he will raise taxes.

The following is from the White House web site:
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Economy
Progress

* The President signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.
* The President announced the "Making Home Affordable" home refinancing plan.
* The President launched a $15 billion plan to boost lending to small businesses.
* The President and Secretary Geithner announced the details of the Financial Stability Plan.
* President Obama played a lead role in G-20 Summit that produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis.
* The President signed the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act which gives the federal government more tools to investigate and prosecute fraud, from lending to the financial system, and creates a bipartisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission to investigate the financial practices that brought us to this point.
* The President signed the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, expanding on the Making Home Affordable Program to help millions of Americans avoid preventable foreclosures, providing $2.2 billion to help combat homelessness , and helping to stabilize the housing market for everybody.
* The President signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act to protect Americans from unfair and deceptive credit card practices.


Guiding Principles
President Obama’s central focus is on stimulating economic recovery and helping America emerge a stronger and more prosperous nation. The current economic crisis is the result of many years of irresponsibility, both in government and in the private sector. As we look toward the future, we must confront the many dimensions of this crisis while laying the foundation for a new era of responsibility and transparency.
Creating Jobs

President Obama’s first priority in confronting the economic crisis is to put Americans back to work. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan signed by the President will spur job creation while making long-term investments in health care, education, energy, and infrastructure. Among other objectives, the recovery plan will increase production of alternative energy, modernize and weatherize buildings and homes, expand broadband technology across the country, and computerize the health care system. The recovery plan will save or create about 3.5 million jobs while investing in priorities that create sustainable economic growth for the future.

Keeping Americans in Their Homes
Millions of hard-working, responsible families are at risk of losing their homes as home prices fall and jobs are threatened. The Making Home Affordable Refinancing program will expand access to refinancing for up to 4 to 5 million families who are current on their mortgages but otherwise unable to refinance because their homes have lost value. The Making Home Affordable Modification program has a $75 billion commitment to support loan modifications so that up to 3 to 4 million borrowers at risk of foreclosure can keep their homes. President Obama’s programs to prevent foreclosures will help bolster home prices and will provide direct support to up to 9 million homeowners to refinance for lower payments or have their mortgages modified to prevent foreclosure. President Obama also launched MakingHomeAffordable.gov, where borrowers can learn basic facts about mortgages, homeownership, and resources available.

Bringing Stability to Financial Markets
This crisis has taught us the real impact that financial markets and institutions can have on working families. President Obama has worked to get credit flowing again so that small businesses can rebuild and hire workers and families can afford to send their children to college. At the same time, the President has demanded accountability and transparency both on Wall Street and in Washington, taking steps to ensure that banks use taxpayer assistance to support lending and create sustainable economic growth. For the long term, the President will create a new regulatory framework that holds market players responsible for their actions and stops fraudulent practices before they take hold.


For those of you who believes Obama doesn't have a "plan," please contact the White House, and tell them "you have no economic plan." And look like the fool you really are!
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 06:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You call platitudes of that nature a "plan"? If it sounds too good to be true it probably is they say.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 06:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
trading debt that we can ill afford for spending so as to keep the economy from immediate collapse is not a plan for a healthy America. It is buying time to come up with a plan. When Team Obama comes out after the fact and calls these emergency ad-hoc measures to avert outright collapse "the plan" and when they say that this spending "will" create or save 3.5 million jobs when we all know that this number is a guess and that their is a wide disagreement between the experts about what the best guess is.....when this **** slides by Obama becomes less credible.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 07:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
It's true that the job numbers are only guesstimates, but do you have a better plan for job creation? We're still losing jobs every day, and any effort to turn this madness around is not a simple matter. When people lose jobs, it hurts the whole family - including children. Many lose their homes too, because they can't continue paying their mortgages.

All we hear from you are complaints - like the No Party - without providing any options or solutions to save our economy.

I'd rather see Obama make efforts to work on this deepening recession over doing nothing. When people lose jobs by the thousands every day, that means more layoffs are the only potential for the future.

If you have a better idea, let's hear it. Your doomsday rhetoric gets old fast.

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okie
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 09:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Read again. In no place in my entire quote did I suggest that government 'opt out' of what it alone is designed to do. One of those things it was designed to do was to regulate both interstate and foreign commerce. What I want the Federal government to 'opt out' of are those things that were intended for the private sector to do.


The American Private sector can not go head to head with national governments which are promoting their citizens interests, and win. American private sector interests need to be in a team effort with the American government....which is totally contrary to your desires.

I think they have before, so why not again?
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genoves
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 02:20 am
The Wall Street Journal agrees with Hawkeye 10- Note:



JUNE 9, 2009 Obama Presses Cabinet to Speed Stimulus Spending

By CHRISTOPHER CONKEY and LOUISE RADNOFSKY
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama said Monday he was "not satisfied" with the pace of the economic-stimulus effort and called for cabinet members to accelerate the spending in the weeks ahead, countering criticism of his economic strategy.

The White House offered no new details Monday on how it would speed up spending from the $787 billion stimulus package, and in many ways the administration is limited by the gradual pace set out in the law passed earlier this year. The plan calls for roughly $499 billion in new spending and $288 billion in tax relief. Administration officials have long acknowledged most of the money is set to flow out in 2010 or later.


Barack Obama
But Mr. Obama is under political pressure to show more immediate results. A Gallup poll released Monday showed for the first time that a majority, 51%, disapprove of Mr. Obama's handling of federal spending.

Support for his handling of the economy overall has slipped, according to Gallup, with 55% approving and 42% disapproving, as opposition among Republicans has hardened. In February, 59% approved and 30% disapproved.

The Labor Department last Friday reported the highest unemployment rate in 25 years. Against that backdrop, Mr. Obama on Monday said he expects the stimulus to create or save 600,000 jobs in the next 100 days, four times as many as during the first 100 days of the law.

"We're still in the middle of a very deep recession that was years in the making, and it's going to take a considerable amount of time for us to pull out of," Mr. Obama said.

Congressional Republicans launched fresh attacks, reflecting a new determination to challenge Mr. Obama's handling of the economy and ballooning federal deficits.

More
Digits: Tech Job Market Not Getting Any Better "When they passed this spending plan, Democrats said it would immediately create jobs, yet nearly four months later, unemployment has continued to climb, and none of their rosy predictions have come true," said House Minority Leader John Boehner (R., Ohio).

Overall, the latest White House figures show that the federal government has "obligated" about $135 billion of the law's spending component, but only about $44 billion has actually been paid out.

Later this month, states are required to say how they plan to spend half of their funds for transportation projects. But states don't have to actually spend the money yet. Many states say they are well on their way to meeting that deadline, even though they aren't sure how quickly the money will make its way to companies and workers.

Meanwhile, other elements of the plan are putting money into the economy. The payroll tax credit has started to appear in workers' checks as a bump of about $10 a week, and has an estimated cost of about $116 billion.

The White House Monday said about $3 billion has been spent via the home-buyers credit, but it couldn't provide an overall estimate for the amount of tax relief coursing through the economy
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 09:45 am
It's obvious some people never listen; Obama has said "it's going to get worse before it gets better." What's not to understand? It's plain English for those who listen and understand the English language.

The stimulus plan is not a miracle plan where job creation turns around the dramatic loss of jobs. No plan will cure what ails us today over-night; it's a world economic crisis. Demand for goods and services are down all around the world; it's not only the US. Most developed countries are suffering from job layoffs, and they're not sure how to improve their own economy.

Obama has been in office for six months; this economic crisis developed over several years.

Get real!





maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 03:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I sure hope that Obama doesn't spend the remaining 700 billion of the stimulus money.
 

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