Where is the US economy headed?

As with our economy, working on alternative energy sources is a long-term goal. Things will not happen over-night or within the next few years. All you have done is attack Obama's plan to increase alternative energy sources; that is the right course of action for our future. Oil and coal now makes up 66% of human energy use; that cannot be sustained for the long term future. Oil and coal are natural resources that have limits, and they increase CO2 and pollutants into the atmosphere. Oil has price constraints when the supply cannot meet demand, and we've already seen what can happen we have to pay over $4/gallon. Coal is not a clean fuel. We must reduce the demand for these two major sources of energy.

Finally a reasoned post, but the substance of your post does not match to your apparent general view that alternative energy is going to be significant soon under Obama.

The only one insane around here is you. You continue to make statements that are easily repudiated.

You don't understand facts or evidence, and continue to use your own deranged imagination. Your posts are usually meaningless and stupid.

Speaking of the subject, "stupid," listening to Bob Brinker today, the financial talk guy. I have listened to him off and on, usually on Saturday, while puttering in the garage. He has always been pretty non-partisan, not necessarily siding with Democrats or Republicans, occasionally bashing both. Today, he pretty much called the current administration "stupid." That in regard to the energy policy. What this relates to is the administration's "apparent" belief that by promoting wind and solar, they can wean ourselves off of oil cartel oil in 10 years. This of course a promise by President Obama. I think Brinker has tabbed this pretty well, anybody that believes such a policy, to the exclusion of oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear, is, yes, just "stupid."

This issue just one of many, with similar parallels. Do you wish to discuss stupidity any further, ci, or is Bob Brinker also a whacked out idiot without a brain?

When okie continues to make statements that has no basis in fact but his own imagination, and he keeps doing it after all the challenges some of us have made, there can't be too much intelligence or foundation for the kind of support you seem to provide on his behalf.

I'm an old codger who has no patience for stupid people who continues to insult our intelligence with unfounded claims.

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I don't mind anyone praising any one president, but okie has to compare Reagan to Obama who has been in office for less than two months. His ability to determine any individual's ability at common sense shows me that okie has none. okie is the least able to make intelligent discourse on any topic whether it's about economics or politics.

Show me where I'm wrong.

I'd rather look foolish than let okie spill his drivel every day.

If I may be so brash as to interrupt this conversation, ci, and point out one clear example of Obama's lack of common sense that I brought up, that you have totally ignored.

I go back to the fact that Obama has more than once promised that he would make the U.S. free of importing OPEC oil in ten years, by instituting his energy policy, which apparently consists of throwing more money at wind and solar. He also mentioned geothermal once in a debate as something that he would promote. This is not an honest opinion or it is not an opinion that can be promoted by anyone with common sense. To walk you through this, see the following chart:



Now, I challenge you to read all the material you can put your hands on and provide one ounce of data or evidence that in 10 years, we could become self sufficient from OPEC oil with any realistic hope to do it with wind and solar. Remember, Obama has marginally said he was in favor of nuclear, but he opposes any disposal solutions of waste that have been proposed, so you can forget nuclear as part of the equation. But even if it was, there would be no practical way to expand nuclear in 10 years, given the regulatory nightmares in this country.

ci, Ronald Reagan would have never suggested something like Obama suggested, because it defies something called "common sense." Now, go do your homework, call any energy expert, and report back to us all here on A2k and let us know what you find out. But please come back here with something called evidence. A snide comment about my intelligence no longer flies, as if it ever did.

By the way, ci has not answered the challenge, and I don't expect him to. He can't because he has nothing. He flunks the test of reality. As did Obama. And as is Obama.

I go back to the fact that Obama has more than once promised that he would make the U.S. free of importing OPEC oil in ten years, by instituting his energy policy, which apparently consists of throwing more money at wind and solar.

The Obama-Biden comprehensive New Energy for America plan will:

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* Provide short-term relief to American families facing pain at the pump
* Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future.
* Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined.
* Put 1 million Plug-In Hybrid cars -- cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon -- on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America.
* Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025.
* Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050.

Now, I challenge you to read all the material you can put your hands on and provide one ounce of data or evidence that in 10 years, we could become self sufficient from OPEC oil with any realistic hope to do it with wind and solar.

* Put 1 million Plug-In Hybrid cars -- cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon -- on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America.

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Now, I challenge you to read all the material you can put your hands on and provide one ounce of data or evidence that in 10 years, we could become self sufficient from OPEC oil with any realistic hope to do it with wind and solar.

You can't even read English properly; what in hell are you doing on a2k? Even foreign participants whose primary language is not English understands English better than you! You should be ashamed of yourself - and crawl back into the cave from which you came.

Show me where I said I supported electric cars. As for power plants, that's not my problem. I have no control over the production of energy, nor its use - except for what we consume.

OBAMA: In ten years, we can reduce our dependence so that we no longer have to import oil from the Middle East or Venezuela.

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OBAMA: In ten years, we can reduce our dependence so that we no longer have to import oil from the Middle East or Venezuela.

That's really not my problem