Where is the US economy headed?

mm: I did say that hard work is a major factor in whether or not someone succeeds in life.

Prove this statement.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

mm, Do you understanhd what a "rhetorical statement" is?

Yes, but since I quoted you exactly, you must have believed what you wrote.

Are you now saying you DIDNT believe what you wrote?

Or were you just trying to be bombastic, hoping someone would believe you?

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mysteryman wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
mm, Do you understanhd what a "rhetorical statement" is?

Yes, but since I quoted you exactly, you must have believed what you wrote.

Are you now saying you DIDNT believe what you wrote?

Or were you just trying to be bombastic, hoping someone would believe you?

Youu still don't understand what a rhetorical statement means.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

mm: I did say that hard work is a major factor in whether or not someone succeeds in life.

Prove this statement.

With pleasure.
All you have to do is look here...

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=47327&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2550

And you will see this...

Quote:

I am saying that there is no reason that other people cant do what I did.
All it takes is some hard work and some sacrifice.

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mysteryman wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
mm: I did say that hard work is a major factor in whether or not someone succeeds in life.

Prove this statement.

With pleasure.
All you have to do is look here...

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=47327&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2550

And you will see this...

Quote:
I am saying that there is no reason that other people cant do what I did.
All it takes is some hard work and some sacrifice.

Who said that?

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MM, it is hopeless to argue with a moron that claims success is 90% luck.

I apologize for using the term, moron, but your opinion is truly very moronic, imposter. I suggest you admit reality. Even cyclops requested I not lump him in with fellow liberals on this issue. You are a lone wolf trying to convince us all of something that is just plain nonsense.

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It's just too spacial for you to understand that your having been born in the US gave you a leg up over most on this planet.

It's the environment, stupid!

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cicerone imposter wrote:

It's just too spacial for you to understand that your having been born in the US gave you a leg up over most on this planet.

It's the environment, stupid!

He doesn't feel it's lucky that he was born in America...he thinks that it must have been god's plan.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

It's just too spacial for you to understand that your having been born in the US gave you a leg up over most on this planet.

It's the environment, stupid!

Make up your mind, imposter. You are the one constantly singing the blues about America, poverty, health care, etc. etc. etc. You just posted a graph showing we would be luckier to be born in many other countries besides the U.S., and you just posted how bad it is in Arkansas and other states. And fact is, I was born into a poor okie family. Many okies starved out during the dust bowl and went to California, where you are all so much luckier.

I've asked you why you think the country is what it is, and why you think its lucky to be born here, and you have not answered. Was it luck or was it capitalism coupled with other factors, imposter? You are constantly berating the conditions in this country, and so I would like you to make up your mind, is it good or bad? Which is it? Or was it just luck?

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okie: I've asked you why you think the country is what it is, and why you think its lucky to be born here, and you have not answered. Was it luck or was it capitalism coupled with other factors, imposter? You are constantly berating the conditions in this country, and so I would like you to make up your mind, is it good or bad? Which is it? Or was it just luck?

Fact is, okie, you had nothing to do with being born in the US. FACT: It had to do with your forefathers and your parents. Luck. FACT: No one chooses which country they are born in.

I continue to berate this president; not this country. There's a BIG difference.
a) Bush promised that his tax cuts will help all Americans. Show me?
b) Seven million more Amerifans are without health insurance; thanks to Bush's watch.
c) Most middle-class families are poorer today than they were before 2000. Many more "fell" into poverty during Bush's watch.

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Where is the US Economy headed?

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/15/rich-are-getting-richer-faster/

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Rich are getting richer faster.

The increase in incomes of the top 1 percent of Americans from 2003 to 2005 ($524.8 billion) exceeded the total income of the poorest 20 percent of Americans ($383.4 billion), according to a new report by the Congressional Budget Office. "On average, incomes for the top 1 percent of households rose by $465,700 each, or 42.6 percent after adjusting for inflation. The incomes of the poorest fifth rose by $200, or 1.3 percent, and the middle fifth increased by $2,400 or 4.3 percent." December 15, 2007 2:00 pm

This is the economy under Bush, Okie: one in which the rich become much richer, at an ever-increasing rate of speed. Nearly all the benefits of the rise in our economy have gone to the rich. The debt load of the poor has risen significantly.

Cycloptichorn

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Nice job of avoiding the question, imposter, as usual.

As for yours, I have already demonstrated the answer to a, b, and c in previous discussions. I have told you about low income earners buying cars and other items with Bush's tax rebates, and I have asked you how many people without health insurance are illegals in this country or actually can apply for Medicaid but don't, just a couple of examples, and as for c, I have already pointed out that the tax rebates are not figured into the Census figures, which renders them wrong to begin with.

Again, being born now would likely be alot better than being born in Oklahoma when I was, imposter, at least we didn't afford half of what so-called poverty stricken people are able to do now.

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okie wrote:

Nice job of avoiding the question, imposter, as usual.

As for yours, I have already demonstrated the answer to a, b, and c in previous discussions. I have told you about low income earners buying cars and other items with Bush's tax rebates, and I have asked you how many people without health insurance are illegals in this country or actually can apply for Medicaid but don't, just a couple of examples, and as for c, I have already pointed out that the tax rebates are not figured into the Census figures, which renders them wrong to begin with.

Again, being born now would likely be alot better than being born in Oklahoma when I was, imposter, at least we didn't afford half of what so-called poverty stricken people are able to do now.

Okie, when are you going to understand that stuff doesn't equal wealth? At all?

Cycloptichorn

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Then people are free to quit buying stuff and buy wealth, cyclops. Life gives us choices.

To spell it out, you are probably talking about free health care and security, well, quit buying new cars and living in big houses and start a savings account and buy insurance.

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okie wrote:

Then people are free to quit buying stuff and buy wealth, cyclops. Life gives us choices.

To spell it out, you are probably talking about free health care and security, well, quit buying new cars and living in big houses and start a savings account and buy insurance.

Straw man. What you describe has nothing to do with our conversation whatsoever, but instead is a figment of your imagination.

Cycloptichorn

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okie's myopia is limitless; he believes it's a either or world.

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Its not a strawman, as I have personally seen many people do what I have just described, and if you are honest, you would have to admit you have seen the same.

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okie wrote:

Its not a strawman, as I have personally seen many people do what I have just described, and if you are honest, you would have to admit you have seen the same.

It has nothing to do with the conversation about the growing gap between the rich and the poor. And it's a myth that the poor are only poor b/c they have poor spending discipline; that's the straw man. They are poor b/c their wages haven't risen significantly, while their rents and insurance have skyrocketed.

The fact that modern industry has made cheap crap affordable to everyone isn't the same thing as being wealthy - or even secure, not at all.

Cycloptichorn

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Why does it matter if the wealthier are getting richer or not?
How does that affect any of us on this board?

How would taking their money in higher taxes help any of us?
The govt isnt going to lower our taxes in return.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:
Its not a strawman, as I have personally seen many people do what I have just described, and if you are honest, you would have to admit you have seen the same.

It has nothing to do with the conversation about the growing gap between the rich and the poor. And it's a myth that the poor are only poor b/c they have poor spending discipline; that's the straw man. They are poor b/c their wages haven't risen significantly, while their rents and insurance have skyrocketed.

The fact that modern industry has made cheap crap affordable to everyone isn't the same thing as being wealthy - or even secure, not at all.

Cycloptichorn

I would challenge you to prove that more people are in poverty now, percentage wise, than say 50 years ago, or pick your date, and also show that the statistics are only showing legal citizens. Also show the statistics include after tax income, after all, that is what people live on, so you should include Bush's tax rebates over and above what taxpayers pay in. While you are at it, why not include all the other perks given free to people, such as food stamps, low income housing, and free health care. I doubt you can do it.

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