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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
Builder
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 07:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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BTW, I don't need any 'credentials'


But you demand to see mine. *shakes head*

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If you don't like to be challenged, don't post stupid shyt


In your opinion, only. And nothing you've posted has "challenged" anything I've posted.

Even the little snippets you rip out, and highlight in red got shot down.

I'm glad you consider the quantity of your posts to actually add up to something meaningful, Mr. Imposter.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 07:44 pm
@Builder,
No, I asked if you studied Economics. One course does not require any 'credential." Anyone can study economics outside of the school environment.

Do you have a high school education? It's not my opinion only; I'm only asking you to clarify your claims. You evidently can't.

I'm not worried about what you think about my posts. Only that you can challenge any of my opinions. Like I said, I have over 90,000 posts on a2k. You can't even find one to challenge. You haven't and can't. You can't even provide any credible source for your own claims; they're bull shyt, and I've explained why!


Builder
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 08:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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You can't even provide any credible source for your own claims; they're bull shyt, and I've explained why!


You clearly did not address anything from this post from the previous page.

Here's the author's credentials. It's why I'd believe his claims, over your opinions, Mr. Imposter.

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Anthony R. Mirhaydari, our CEO and CIO, was born in 1982. He has a Bachelor of Arts in Business Administration degree (finance specialization) from the University of Washington Foster School Of Business, graduating magna cum laude with distinction.


Outside the Box Archives

Nov. 21, 2013, 1:58 p.m. EST
‘Taper’ or not, QE3 isn’t working
Commentary: It’s time for something different


By Anthony Mirhaydari
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What do you think about the recovery so far?

Like so much in life, it depends on your perspective. For well-to-do investors and spendthrift politicians, as well as the megabanks, it’s been a ball. The Federal Reserve stimulus that’s been driving this hot mess of an economy forward has overwhelmingly benefited them.

It’s a subject worth discussing as the Fed comes back to the idea of tapering its ongoing $85-billion-a-month bond-purchase program in favor of a “forward guidance” strategy just as current vice-chair Janet Yellen prepares to take the helm.

The S&P 500 has climbed 170% from its bear-market low. Too-big-to-fail bank balance sheets and profits have exploded. And the cost of the Treasury’s borrow-and-spend addiction as a share of GDP has fallen to a level not seen since the 1960s — despite the fact the national debt now totals $17.1 trillion.

Yet things aren’t so good for regular, wage-earning Americans.

The dichotomy was brought to life for me by a trip to the Las Vegas MoneyShow earlier this year where fellow speakers and panelists were practically foaming at the mouth at the unbroken rise of stocks like Johnson & Johnson JNJ -0.02% and Tesla Motors TSLA +0.19% ; while the gondolier at the Venetian, after learning I was there to speak about the economy, said the state of affairs could be easily summed up in two words: “It sucks.”

Sure, home prices are back to mid-2004 levels and are up 23% from the lows. But the homeownership rate is down, and we’re still off 21% from the 2006 peak. And while stocks are up, middle-income Americans, who only own $12,000 worth of stock at the median according to Fed data (vs. $268,000 for the top 10% of income earners), aren’t exactly getting a huge boost. Gallup polling shows only 52% of American adults are in stocks at all — down from 65% in 2007.

Yet the job/wages/spending overhang is still there. The fact that Fed’s monetary base has swelled from less than $800 billion pre-recession to $3.7 trillion now — with $1.9 trillion of that simply sitting in the vaults of major Wall Street banks as excess reserves receiving interest payments from the Fed — thanks to QE1, QE2 and QE3, hasn’t fixed the problem.

Where we stand

The structural issues plaguing the economy aren’t related to the price of money. In fact, according to Stanford economist John B. Taylor, the Fed’s ultra-low-interest-rate policy could actually be holding the economy back by diminishing the incentive for banks to make loans and assume credit risk.

We’re still down 5.6 million full-time jobs from where we were before the recession hit. At the pace we’ve been creating them, from 2010 it’ll take nearly four years to close the gap. After accounting for the growth in the working-age population, the gap is more like 14 million jobs.

Meanwhile, real median household income has fallen to mid-1990s levels around $51,000. That’s down from a peak of $56,000.

So it’s no surprise then that spending, represented by personal-consumption expenditures, is growing at such a pitiful rate that it’s been associated with the last three recessions and is at roughly half the level we saw during the go-go days of the housing bubble.

Any way you want to look at it, things suck.

It’s not for a lack of trying.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 08:15 pm
@Builder,
I don't care what kind of education anyone has. In economics, they are not able to predict future economic performance. It's called 'impossible.'
For any one economist you can name, I can name ten. That means absolutely nothing, because as I've already said, nobody is capable of agreeing on what the economic future holds.

It seems you didn't read the article about why economists can't agree.

I give up; you're not educable and too stupid to learn new tricks, and I'm not here to waste time with people who got their education through FOX News - better known as Faux News.

For every Anthony Mirhaydari, there are other as well educated scions of industry who has a different view of the same subject. Something you'll never learn in your myopic world.

I'm putting you on Ignore; you're not worth trying to educate on a subject you've already made up your tiny mind about.

ECONOMICS IS NOT SCIENCE. MOST ECONOMISTS DO NOT AGREE ON THE SAME ISSUES.
Try to remember this - if that's at all possible. BYE.
Builder
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 08:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I don't care what kind of education anyone has. In economics, they are not able to predict future economic performance.


Failed to read it again, huh? The article refers to the here and now, and the cumulative effect of the three QE stimulus packages over the years since they were implemented.

If you're not willing to address what is in front of you, and attempt to comprehend what the text is explaining, then I'm not surprised that you don't care about credentials.

You're not even interested in debate. Hawkeye is correct in stating that you're just here to pick fights.

Enyoy yourself, Mr. Imposter. Life is short.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 08:37 pm
@Builder,
Seven years in we are still propping up the banks at the expense of savers and workers, with no end in sight. At some point the ability to operate all broken systems ends, that happens here when the dollar crashes.

http://www.econdataus.com/fedbal.png

You cant just print $3 trillion over 5 years and expect to contain to reverberations.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 08:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
You don't know what you are talking about. Where did you learn that
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printing $3 trillion over 5 years and (we can ) expect to contain to reverberations.


Please name what those consequences will be and when that will happen?
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Builder
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 09:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
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At some point the ability to operate all broken systems ends, that happens here when the dollar crashes.


The extraction of wealth from the nation is almost complete. But one more war is necessary, mostly to ensure US hegemony in oil sales.

The Ukraine might be the showdown the oligarchy is looking for, to hang on to the petro-dollar's respect around the globe.

China, Russia, and India, are willing to pay in gold for Iranian oil. That isn't acceptable to the oligarchy.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 09:31 pm
@Builder,
Interesting that you mention Ukraine, I take Putins moves as a bet that the West is now too exhausted and bankrupt to resist. I am waiting for the rise of the Eastern block, which should be centered on China Russia, and India. The entire post WW2 world order will be washed away before your eyes if these three can work out a deal for an alliance.
Builder
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 09:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
It's certainly interesting times, but don't forget all those nukes sitting around the globe. No extra finances required for a few ICBMs to be launched.

Depends just how desperate they are for control.

On that graph you posted, the yellow mortgage-backed section is quite the dominant component, and considering it was the bundling of "toxic" mortgages as phony AAA rated investments, that brought a lot of banksters unstuck in the last meltdown, perhaps the fed is saying that they've got everyone's back, when it comes to gambling in the big casino.

Most of the players are now in the TBTF category now, anyways. I wonder if it takes some of the excitement away, when you know that you can gamble without ever losing.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 09:47 pm
@Builder,
The West is the land of broken promises, broken ideas,and moutains of debt as far as the eye can see. It is time for what is next. That is why you see the Fed on a Kamikaze path to certain doom....they are out of ideas and out of options.
Builder
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 10:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
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The West is the land of broken promises, broken ideas,and moutains of debt as far as the eye can see.


It's been a journey to this point in time.

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That is why you see the Fed on a Kamikaze path to certain doom....they are out of ideas and out of options.


Considering the vast sums of money stashed away by the oligarchs, and their underlings, I can understand their absolute horror at the thought of the petro-dollar losing dominance. All that looting and plunder, and in the end, all for nix.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 May, 2014 11:50 pm
@Builder,
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Forbes: Question on our monetary base, which has grown more than 400% since 2008. Between 1970 and 1982, our base grew about 225%, and we have this wild rise in the consumer price index, huge surge in interest rates. Yet this time, in a shorter period of time we’ve ascended at almost twice the rate we did at the ’70s, yet very different outcomes. Is that because, what?

Prasad: Well, one reason of course is that aggregate demand remains very weak, and the standard monetary mechanism through which you would expect an increase in the money supply given a specific supply of goods and services to lead to inflation has not quite kicked in yet. It is still a bit of a mystery why inflationary expectations in the U.S. remain very, very dim.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2014/05/19/why-one-ivy-league-economist-thinks-the-u-s-dollar-is-invincible-and-what-this-means-for-investors/

In other words: " I am one of the foremost 200 experts on this subject in the world, And I have not the first damn clue what is going on".

We see this a lot these days.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 12:24 am
@hawkeye10,
Same story again

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The story Geithner goes on to tell blames everyone and no one. The crisis he describes might just as well have been an act of God. Basically no one noticed what was happening inside the financial system until after it happened. A few of the important people with a privileged view expressed concerns about the risks being taken, but most said nothing. Geithner counts himself in the minority. “I began asking questions about capital: Do our banks really have enough?” he writes, adding, “I was more worried than many of my colleagues, but I was not nearly worried enough.” His role in the run-up to the crisis was a bit like that of first mate on the Titanic, after the ship has been put on irreversible autopilot, and the captain has gone off to drink with the rich guys in first class.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/books/review/stress-test-by-timothy-f-geithner.html?_r=0

the economic system is not being run by humans, the best experts dont even understand how it works. We are fucked.

This guy is an idiot, one of the guys who for years has been allegedly running the system should most certainly NOT write a book informing the masses that no one is running the system. We are going to crash for sure anyways, but lets try to keep the panic down shall we?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 10:46 am
For anyone who wishes to learn about Economics, and why no one is able to predict future economic results. Basically, there are too many variables in flux, and no one can predict world political and economic issues accurately.

From deficit dilemma.
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Why can’t economists tell us what happens when government spending goes up or down, taxes change, or the Fed changes monetary policy? The stumbling block is that economics is fundamentally a non-experimental science, particularly in the realm of macroeconomics. Unlike disciplines such as physics, we can't go into the laboratory and rerun the economy again and again under different conditions to measure, say, the average effect of monetary and fiscal policy. We only have one realization of the macroeconomy to use to answer important policy questions, and that limits the precision of the answers we can give. In addition, because the data are historical rather than experimental, we cannot look at the relationships among a set of variables in isolation while holding all the other variables constant as you might do in a lab and this also reduces the precision of our estimates.

Because we only have a single realization of history rather than laboratory data to investigate economic issues, macroeconomic theorists have full knowledge of past data as they build their models. It would be a waste of time to build a model that doesn't fit this one realization of the macroeconomy, and fit it well, and that is precisely what has been done. Unfortunately, there are two models that fit the data, and the two models have vastly different implications for monetary and fiscal policy.

- See more at: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2011/04/12/Deficit-Dilemma-Why-Economists-Cant-Agree#sthash.SEEhqumn.dpuf
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 11:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
In other economic news the new banking reforms mandate 5% capital reserves, it was decided a few years ago that this is a safe level. Recently two highly esteemed economists presented papers that argue that the correct level should be 20%.

I am sure that this is all because the science of economics is sooooooo complicated, that we should not expect our experts to understand better, that they are going the best they can. Drunk
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 11:26 am
@hawkeye10,
hawk, Don't you ever listen? You wrote,
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two highly esteemed economists presented papers that argue that the correct level should be 20%.
There are thousands of 'esteemed economists' in this world, and for every two who support any idea, there will be two who will disagree.

Can't you understand simple concepts? Esteemed economists is an oxymoron. They can't predict future economic events. NO ONE CAN. They are all guesses.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 11:36 am
@cicerone imposter,
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In the United States, depository institutions are subject to risk-based capital guidelines issued by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (FRB).[5] These guidelines are used to evaluate capital adequacy based primarily on the perceived credit risk associated with balance sheet assets, as well as certain off-balance sheet exposures such as unfunded loan commitments, letters of credit, and derivatives and foreign exchange contracts. The risk-based capital guidelines are supplemented by a leverage ratio requirement. To be adequately capitalized under federal bank regulatory agency definitions, a bank holding company must have a Tier 1 capital ratio of at least 4%, a combined Tier 1 and Tier 2 capital ratio of at least 8%, and a leverage ratio of at least 4%, and not be subject to a directive, order, or written agreement to meet and maintain specific capital levels. To be well-capitalized under federal bank regulatory agency definitions, a bank holding company must have a Tier 1 capital ratio of at least 6%, a combined Tier 1 and Tier 2 capital ratio of at least 10%, and a leverage ratio of at least 5%, and not be subject to a directive, order, or written agreement to meet and maintain specific capital levels. These capital ratios are reported quarterly on the Call Report or Thrift Financial Report. Although Tier 1 capital has traditionally been emphasized, in the Late-2000s recession regulators and investors began to focus on tangible common equity, which is different from Tier 1 capital in that it excludes preferred equity.[6]


Any bank not meeting these levels of capital requirements are charged hefty fines.

Also,
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The Justice Department has not often pursued such convictions of financial companies, especially large ones that could become destabilized following an indictment. But U.S. politicians have pushed for tougher punishment for big banks in response to the 2007-2009 financial crisis.

Credit Suisse will pay the penalties to the U.S. Department of Justice, the Internal Revenue Service, the Federal Reserve and New York's banking regulator, the New York State Department of Financial Services. It had already paid just under $200 million to the Securities and Exchange Commission.
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Builder
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 04:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
Did you catch the Matt Damon-narrated documentary about the orchestrated GFC, and who the big players were, Hawk? Got footage of the congressional hearings, and lots of factual research into who screwed whom, and who was watching it happen.

Called "Inside Job" because the players certainly were aware of what they were doing, and who they were screwing.

Here's a link to the whole doco.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2014 04:54 pm
@Builder,
No, and I dont have time. However, I have long claimed that the bankers and shadow bankers are not much better than the old Las Vegas mobsters.

I am hearing disturbing rumbling that the US FED is laundering US securities through foreign governments, which would be a new level of criminality for the fed. It would not surprise me, as they are desperate, and have become hugely political . I remember a class trip to the the Chicago Fed, where I spoke up and accused them of being part of the government....boy, they let me have it. No employee of the Fed could deny it with a straight face now, it is too obvious what they are.

It will likely be reason #23968 why we citizens should be absolutely sure that trusting our government is a chump move.
 

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