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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 09:16 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

I was referring to the post that begins with "The Dow Jones...is firing on all cylinders..."
I missed seeing the source. What was it, again?


Unusual weather we're having, ain't it?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 08:13 am


Record DOW numbers prove one thing.

Investors trust business leaders much more than they trust Obama and government leaders.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 09:34 am
Nice, simple, and stupid. Since it's a package deal--business leaders and Obama,--you don't get one without the other. So investors obiously trust business leaders and Obama a good deal. Whereas they shunned business leaders and Bush after that package deal jointly screwed up royally.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 09:48 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Nice, simple, and stupid.


You are making good progress, please tell us more about yourself.

BTW, no sensible person believes Obama has done anything positive.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 10:04 am
You don't, obviously, but then nobody has suggested you're sensible.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 10:39 am
@MontereyJack,
Sure they do.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 03:45 pm
The Obama economy gets even better.

CNN says:

The annual deficit has fallen 32% over the first seven months of this fiscal year compared with same period last year, according to Congressional Budget Office figures released Tuesday.
A major reason: A big jump in tax revenue.

Tax collections rose by $220 billion -- or 16% -- between the start of the fiscal year on Oct. 1 through April 30. Individual and payroll taxes accounted for $184 billion of that increase.

The tax haul rose sharply primarily because wages and salaries were higher, the payroll tax cut of the past two years expired on Jan. 1 and the fiscal cliff deal brokered over New Year's raised tax rates on high earners.

Spending, meanwhile, fell 1.9% year over year, the CBO estimated.

The biggest percentage drop occurred in the payment of unemployment benefits, which were down nearly 25%, or $15 billion. Defense spending fell 5.3%, or $20 billion, and "other activities" -- primarily spending on nondefense programs -- fell 8.6%, or $58 billion.

Related: Deficits are falling. For now.

Less was spent, for instance, on housing assistance, energy programs and international assistance, along with the TARP bank bailout and on mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Spending in some categories, however, was higher. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security outlays combined rose by $50 billion, or between 6% and 7%.

While the country has still racked up an estimated $489 billion deficit in the first seven months of this year, that's about a third less than the $720 billion recorded for the same period last year.

Higher than expected revenue and lower spending has pushed back the real deadline for when Congress must raise the debt ceiling until as late as October.

And it's easing pressure on Congress to cut a big debt deal anytime soon.

Later this month, the CBO is expected to publish its revised estimates for spending, taxes and deficits over the next 10 years. Earlier this year, it estimated an annual deficit for 2013 of $845 billion, but some budget observers have said they expect the deficit for this year will come in lower than that.

realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 05:42 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Higher than expected revenue and lower spending has pushed back the real deadline for when Congress must raise the debt ceiling until as late as October.


This a bound to piss off a lot of Republicans. They had been counting on using the routine raising of the national debt ceiling as an opportunity to posture in front of the cameras. Looks like they may have to wait awhile.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 05:45 pm
@MontereyJack,
They still haven't figured out what a "screw-up" is. They live in a reality based on FOX News.

Quote:
via Media Matters
This is the entire reason Fox News exists. To pass off garbage as news to a base that only wants to hear garbage:
[Fox News contributor for some reason Juan Williams]: It's like a tragedy ... the U.S. Senate can't take action on simple background checks that overwhelmingly the American people, in poll after poll, say that it's a good idea, it would be a good thing. Gun owners say, 'Yes, it's a good thing.' But again, the power of big money, the NRA, and the gun manufacturers has carried the day. So let's look at the record then--
[Fox News anchor and hydroponic hair farm Bret Baier]: Well, hold on. Gun owners overall don't say that. You mentioned the NRA. They say [blah blah insufferable horsecrap blah ...]
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 06:18 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

Advocate wrote:

Higher than expected revenue and lower spending has pushed back the real deadline for when Congress must raise the debt ceiling until as late as October.


This a bound to piss off a lot of Republicans. They had been counting on using the routine raising of the national debt ceiling as an opportunity to posture in front of the cameras. Looks like they may have to wait awhile.


that tactic was a loser so R's dropped it. you seem to be not keeping up with the news.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 06:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
That's not what the Washington Post seems to say.
Quote:
Are Republicans really gunning for another debt-limit showdown?

Michael Reynolds/EPA - Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (C) joins other Senate Republicans in delivering remarks to members of the news media following a Republican policy luncheon, on Capitol Hill, May 7.

By Lori Montgomery, Updated: Wednesday, May 8, 2:33 PM

The federal debt limit is set to kick back into effect next weekend after a three-month hiatus, marking the start of a political game of chicken likely to culminate in the fall, when Congress will have to give President Obama a higher limit or risk a federal default.

Which raises the perennial question: How far are congressional Republicans willing to push this?

A new Goldman Sachs forecast predicts that the government will not reach its debt limit until early September or October. Part of the variable is whether Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac release tens of billions of dollars to taxpayers. The dotted lines show Goldman Sachs's three predicted debt limit scenarios.

Bill set for House vote Thursday suggests early signs of GOP anxiety

Lori Montgomery 2:33 PM ET
The debt limit is scheduled to kick back into force May 19. For now, GOP leaders are talking tough.

Many Democrats predict Republicans will fold like a cheap suit as the deadline approaches, eager to avoid the disaster of 2011, when the last debt-limit showdown sent congressional approval ratings plummeting into single digits. GOP lawmakers pretty much caved in January, when the House voted without much fuss to suspend enforcement of the debt limit until May 19.

“There is no doubt in our minds that no Republican leader wants to default,” said House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.). “If we default” or if the U.S. credit rating is downgraded again, “I think they’re going to pay a hellacious price for their fiscal irresponsibility.”

For now, House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) are talking tough, vowing to block a debt-limit increase unless Obama agrees to cuts and reforms that they say are necessary to put the nation on a path to a balanced budget.

“It’s extremely unlikely that any Republican is going to raise the debt ceiling without doing something about the debt,” McConnell said Tuesday.

Still, there are already signs of GOP anxiety.

Take the measure that is set to come before the House on Thursday. It started out as a garden-variety prioritization bill that would have directed Treasury Department officials to pay certain bills first if they hit the debt limit, are forced to stop borrowing and have to make due with incoming tax receipts.

But House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) rewrote the bill to carve out exemptions to the debt limit, so the Treasury Department could continue borrowing to make interest payments to creditors and to the Social Security trust fund. Analysts at the Bipartisan Policy Center say the measure, if adopted, would have the effect of extending the Treasury Department’s borrowing authority for at least a month.

Boehner said the measure establishes House Republicans as responsible actors who are committed both to avoiding default and to getting the debt under control.

“Our goal here is to not default on our debt. Our goal here is to get ourselves on the sustainable path from a fiscal standpoint,” Boehner told Bloomberg TV on Tuesday. “I think doing a debt prioritization bill makes it clear to our bondholders that we’re going to meet our obligations.”

Democrats have excoriated the measure, not least because it would guarantee payment to Chinese creditors, for example, while offering no such protection for, say, military salaries. The White House this week threatened to veto the measure and accused House Republicans of “political gamesmanship.”

Boehner defended the bill in the Bloomberg interview. “Listen,” he said. “Those who have loaned us money, like in any proceeding, if you will, court proceeding, the bondholders usually get paid first. Same thing here.”

The measure is likely to pass the House but has no chance in the Democrat-controlled Senate. House leaders, meanwhile, are casting about for a more promising strategy.

A leading option: Tie the debt limit to tax reform, offering periodic increases in borrowing authority in exchange for progress toward a simpler tax code with lower rates.

No decision has been made, however, and House Republicans plan to gather next week for the first of several major strategy sessions.
BillW
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 03:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It is very simple, and everything that has been happening for the last 20 years rolls on toward one result - the South is ready for a revolution. The Republicans prefer it to be an economic revolution. If the government crumbles (they need it before the Hispanics get more people into the voting process) they reason they control the Corporations and the Wealthy Americans, they dicatate the new government - it becomes Totalitarian. Bingo, go to hell middle class - it will exist no more!!!!!!!!!
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 04:04 pm
@BillW,
Quote:
The Republicans prefer it to be an economic revolution. If the government crumbles (they need it before the Hispanics get more people into the voting process) they reason they control the Corporations and the Wealthy Americans, they dicatate the new government - it becomes Totalitarian. Bingo, go to hell middle class - it will exist no more!!!!!!!!!


I can feel somewhat of what you feel but don't you think that we all get it wrong? We all seem to stereotype everyone. republicans, democrats, liberals, progressives and so forth but very few of us really have any clue to what is really taking place.

I think you may find value in this video but I could be wrong.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 04:20 pm
@BillW,
The "White Republican Party" is a dead man walking. They're losing all the minority votes, and the US demographics continues to increase in the "minorities" over the Whites.

The GOP is now talking again about not approving the debt ceiling which will result in more interest payments by our government on bond funds, but the GOP's "no more taxes" is about the dumbest conflict they're fighting themselves about. Americans will eventually catch on that the GOP is there to try everything they can to make Obama and our country fail.

I'm sure (100% sure) there are no conservatives receiving unemployment benefits that the GOP cut. I just wonder how they love not being able to feed and shelter their families, because they are the 47% freeloaders.

Learning from history, those who continue to cut American benefits will be the loser.

Nobody, NOBODY, wants to lose their social security and MediCare benefits - be they republican or democrat - or anything else!

Yup, they're a dead man walking. It's just a matter of time.

I'm not even sure how the GOP gets women to vote for them!
BillW
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 04:21 pm
@reasoning logic,
I have already seen it, thank you - it perfectly explains my point. Fascism is a right wing ideology, and when it is allowed to develop its policy, then we all know where that ends up........
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 04:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I certainly hope so ci, but the hope of the right is for the economy and the country to crumble. Does not have to be won in election, or even at war. Just has to be after the government crashes.......and, the more arms controlled - the more might to go with the control of money.


I hope you are right!
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 04:32 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

... the hope of the right is for the economy and the country to crumble.


Sorry BillW, but that's the change Obama is hoping for.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 04:39 pm
@BillW,
From Courier-Journal.com.
Quote:
WASHINGTON — Elderly Americans on Medicare are substantially happier with their insurance coverage than their younger counterparts who rely on commercial insurance, according to a new national survey.

Only 8 percent of Medicare beneficiaries 65 or over rated their coverage “fair” or “poor,” the nonprofit Commonwealth Fund found.

By comparison, 20 percent of those with employer-based coverage gave their insurance plan low marks. And 33 percent of people who bought insurance on their own reported unhappiness with their coverage.


That means 92% of seniors like their Medicare coverage. If the GOP attempts to take that benefit away, I wonder how many conservatives will continue to vote for the GOP candidates?

Just a thought.
BillW
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 04:39 pm
@H2O MAN,
You have a right to your opinions, not to the facts - even if your opinions are also wrong!
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2013 04:41 pm
@BillW,
The facts support my opinions - not yours.
 

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