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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 20 Feb, 2013 06:11 pm
@hawkeye10,


I disagree. Obama is quite smart about what he has done and
what he wants to happen... there is a method to his madness.

Yes, Obama is a dick and history will write of him as the worst
president in American history... he is totally OK with this because
he will have minions re-write history to make himself look
cool and loved by all. Look how he has injected himself in past
presidential history, his name and face are all over the place.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 02:58 am
a wake up call for the dolts who say that America is fine:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/02/job-losses-gains.png
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 03:25 am
What on earth are you talking about now, H2O. I haven't seen any pictures that show Obama talking with george Washington or having dinner with Abe Lincoln, or patting him on the back for his eloquence in the Gettysburg Address. And he's got a hell of a ways to go to compare with his immediate predecessor who doubled the national debt, got us into two unfunded wars, slashed federal revenues as a job creation measure which didn't create jobs (and helped double the national debvt while it was not doing what it was supposed to), and left Obama a trashed economyof the entire world. Which Obama's bailouts and subsidies have largely repaired. That's why the unbiased historians rate W. Bush as the sixth worst president ever and Obama ranking above about 2/3 of our presidents. And he'd be higher if if the Republicans stopped total obsturctiobnism and stopped kowtowing to their fantasy economics and got with the real-world proven economic policiesthat Obama espouses, That's why Obama is closing in on three times as popular as the Republicans in Congress. He's doing it, they're screwing it..
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 08:08 am
@hawkeye10,
That's what I've been saying!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 08:09 am
@MontereyJack,
Our debt would be much, much higher if opposition didn't step up and block Obama from time to time.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 08:36 am
Our debt would be much, much lower if George Bush hadn't pushed thru his tax giveaways to the rich (allegedly because they were the job creators--they proved they weren't), got us into two elective, unfunded wars, and massively expanded government programs and borrowed to pay for them. And if his and Republican policies hadn't given the financial industry free rein to nearly destroy the world's economy.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 08:41 am
@MontereyJack,


Nice try, but your overused tactic of blaming Bush doen't work here either.
PrezBO has racked up more debt than all other previous presidents combined.

If you really want to play your little blame game, you have to hold Obama accountable.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 10:27 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:

Nice try, but your overused tactic of blaming Bush doen't work here either.
PrezBO has racked up more debt than all other previous presidents combined.

Another fact challenged claim by Spurt..

Federal debt when Obama took office - 10,625,053,544,309.79
Total Federal debt on Feb 28, 2013 - 16,687,289,180,215.37
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

Are you arguing that over 2 trillion of the debt was racked up when no one was President? Or are you so mathematically challenged that you thingk 2x10=16?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 11:06 am
@parados,
What's missing from just looking at the deficit when each president left office is the fact that GW Bush's wars and Medicare drug benefit carried over to Obama's tenure. That's over $800 billion of deficit carried over from GW Bush. Not only that, but when the deficit is compared to GDP by president, we all know that the GDP under GW Bush was a fraud that ended up as the Great Recession.

The real miracle is that when unemployment was exploding in 2008, Obama turned that around with his stim bill for the slow recovery we are now enjoying - except for the fact that the GOP is doing everything they can to destroy our economy with the debt ceiling(S) and the sequester.

Heck, it's the GOP that went all out for voter suppression during the last election; they are not Americans - they are terrorists. Show me anything American about what they are doing to this country?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 11:12 am
@hawkeye10,
We don't need any graph to prove that the middle class income has been stagnant for the past couple of decades.

From USA Today.
Quote:
Study: Middle class poorer, earned less in 2000s
By Tim Mullaney, USA TODAY Updated 8/22/2012 3:48 PM

For the first time since at least World War II, middle-class families finished the first decade of the 21st century poorer and with lower incomes than they had 10 years earlier.
And 85% of those surveyed say that in the 2000s, it was harder than before to maintain a middle-class lifestyle, according to a study out Wednesday by the Pew Research Center's Social and Demographic Trends project.
Median household income dropped nearly $3,500 for a three-person middle-class household, to $69,487 a year, after adjusting for inflation, the Pew study said. The median household's net worth dropped 28% to $93,150. Incomes have dropped since 2000, while wealth rose modestly early in the decade before gains were wiped out by the recession that began in 2007 and the financial crisis sparked in 2008, said Paul Taylor, a Pew executive vice president.
"That the middle class always enjoys a rising standard of living is part of America's sense of itself, and it has always been true — until now," Taylor said in an interview, describing the 2000s as a "lost decade" for the middle class. "It's been 11 years since the peak in household incomes, and that covers the early part of the decade as well."
The middle class grew smaller, poorer and more pessimistic during the decade, Pew said after analyzing both its own polling data and a raft of government and private economic reports. The results show even a weakening of Americans' traditional faith that their children will be better off than their parents, Taylor said: 43% of respondents think their children will be richer than they are, down from 51% in 2008.
In 2011, just over half of the nation (51%) was defined as middle class, having annual incomes between $39,000 and $118,000 for a three-member household, said Pew. That's down from 61% in the early 1970s. All the financial figures in Pew's report are adjusted for inflation and calculated in 2011 dollars.
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Pamela Rosa
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 11:15 am
Druckenmiller: I See Storm Coming, Bigger Than 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/druckenmiller-i-see-storm-coming-bigger-than-2008-Pu~cwiXcRle8XEcPKIbXJw.html
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 11:25 am
@Pamela Rosa,
Pamela Rosa wrote:


Obama's actions and policies have only made the terrible impact of the coming
storm Druckenmiller speaks of a much more catastrophic storm than 1st thought.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 11:29 am
@H2O MAN,
Hey, squirt, never heard of the Great Recession yet? It put the whole world's economy into turmoil. LOL Obama saved our economy; we're still the strongest economy with a lower unemployment rate than the Euro countries.

You dummies will never learn fact, because you twist what's in front of you into a pretzel.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 11:36 am
@cicerone imposter,

Obama's great recession is waiting in the wings and it will make his
current recession look like a sunny day that you would love to have back.

Also, if Obama doesn't make meaningful tax reforms (The FairTax Plan)
right away, the coming storm will be worse than anything this country has seen.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 01:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

... we're still the strongest economy with a lower unemployment rate than the Euro countries.

As one wag noted, Tak, the U.S. is still the tallest midget in the economic world.

realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 03:11 pm
@realjohnboy,
The focus of attention here lately has been the price of gasoline at the pump and the pointing of fingers of blame.
Meanwhile the price of crude oil has been slipping. U.S. crude is about $91/bbl and could test the $90 price in the coming week or two. Brent is around $110. That's good, right? Double digit declines in 2013.
I try to be an optimist but that is tough right now. Economic events in China, Japan, Europe and the U.S. appear to not bode well.
I do note that this thread with the dreary title is closing in on its 8th anniversary!
Pamela Rosa
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 03:37 pm
Credit Supernova!
http://www.pimco.com/EN/Insights/Pages/Credit-Supernova.aspx
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 03:45 pm
@realjohnboy,
Who can argue with that! "Tallest midget."

Another point of contention about most people who blame the president for our fuel prices. The president does not control oil prices.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 03:54 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

The focus of attention here lately has been the price of gasoline at the pump and the pointing of fingers of blame.
Meanwhile the price of crude oil has been slipping. U.S. crude is about $91/bbl and could test the $90 price in the coming week or two. Brent is around $110. That's good, right? Double digit declines in 2013.
I try to be an optimist but that is tough right now. Economic events in China, Japan, Europe and the U.S. appear to not bode well.
I do note that this thread with the dreary title is closing in on its 8th anniversary!


The thought many have that big production of oil in the USA will lower prices is a scam. We will pay the world prices, and what we produce would not be enough in the world's inventory to really lower prices. We should nationalize as most countries have done.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 04:02 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

The thought many have that big production of oil in the USA will lower prices is a scam. We will pay the world prices, and what we produce would not be enough in the world's inventory to really lower prices. We should nationalize as most countries have done.
More oil will reduce the price compared to what it would otherwise be. With rising consumption we can only limit the rise in price, though as with natural gas, enough production could indeed lower the price - as we have already seen.

Most countries have NOT nationalized the production & distribution of petroleum. Interesting to note your solution is to imitate the lean efficiency of Venezuela and Mexico in this area. Very stupid.
 

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