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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 03:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
There might be economic advantages in losses of purchasing power by the masses. Some reductions in the general madness for example.

Conspicuous consumption has no upper limit. That's why pride in No 1 in the Seven Deadly Sins, or "errors" if you prefer.

Have you ever thought that sin might be a synonym for error but more effective in limiting the activity in question.

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When all participate as equals, everybody benefits.


That's a facile assertion.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 03:42 pm
@spendius,
Where have you been all these years? Buying power have been lost by most people in this world; there are still people who earn less than $1 per day. Wages and benefits for most in this world have dropped to one of their lowest levels with Euro countries suffering over 11% unemployment - and increasing almost every day. Unemployment in the US stays at 8%, and that's not too bad when looked at the macro-economics of the world - including China.

Our inflation rate is under 2%, and I'll venture to say that our inflation rate will remain at those rates for many years to come. Those nay-sayers that the earth is going to go over the cliff are fears perpetuated against those who do not understand economics at any level.

Demand for goods and services are already reduced, and inflation will only kill those companies that's brave enough to increase prices in this competitive environment. Rather, it's up to companies to implement more efficiencies to reduce cost. Many are; that's the reason why US manufacturing is beginning to pick up. In many industries across the globe, US companies are able to compete in manufacturing through the implementation of automation, and high productivity rates of the American worker. We don't get four weeks off for vacation like many countries in Europe. That affects worker productivity.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 05:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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there are still people who earn less than $1 per day.


I know. Some of them have waited on you as you patronise the world.

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those who do not understand economics at any level.


We already know that you understand economics at all levels.

I'm up for knocking off, humanely, the over 70s who report in to their clinician.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 05:15 pm
@spendius,
It might be necessary to do it inhumanely if silly sods like you don't pipe down.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 05:22 pm
@spendius,
What are you trying to say? Didn't I already tell you and others that you should challenge what I say and not me? But, then, you're too stupid to understand simple concepts like that one.

That I must repeat the same message shows you are not capable of intelligent discussion at any level.
Builder
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2012 02:27 am
@cicerone imposter,
I've had better discussions with a fence post.

You're a bore and a petulant pussy.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2012 09:53 am
@Builder,
Ah, those ad hominems comes easily to people who can't respond with any intelligence. Mr. Green
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2012 02:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
We all seem to get it wrong at times I was watching a video about Misinformation in American Politics that Kimberly Nalder, associate professor of government at Sacramento State, was explaining and I found it to be very informative. I think that some of this info applies to our understanding of economics as well.

roger
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2012 02:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I guess they don't cover the Laffer Curve in ECON 101.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2012 03:11 pm
@reasoning logic,
It shouldn't require a college professor to outline all the lies perpetrated by the GOP, and the misinformation that has effectively made the people of this country ignorant.

They end up voting against what they desire to have, because they believe the GOP's lies.

Is there a solution for this ignorance?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2012 03:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Is there a solution for this ignorance?


Not that I am aware of but educating one's self does seem to help sometimes.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2012 05:18 pm
@reasoning logic,
Will you explain how that worked in your own case rl? You might be suspected of defining "educating" to suit your own self esteem.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2012 06:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
But you have shown over the years that you often discount any source as being not credible if it disagrees with your views.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2012 08:21 pm
@mysteryman,
You mean the way you and Spendus spin the facts to fit your version of things?
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 04:42 pm
This thread has lain fallow for a couple weeks or so after degenerating.
Yesterday the Social Security Administration announced a 1.7% increase in SSAE due to inflation. The average increase per retiree will be about $20 a month.
They use the CPI(W) index from the BLS. I've commented on that for a couple years.
Last year we got a "pay raise" of somewhat more than 3%, which caused some to suggest using an index that would be less generous.
Now the CPI(W) is being roundly criticized for failing to include volatile food and energy price changes and for not giving sufficient weight to things like health care.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 04:49 pm
@RABEL222,
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You mean the way you and Spendus spin the facts to fit your version of things?


Will you be so kind as to provide evidence that I "spin the facts" to fit my "version of things"? You declaring that I do is not evidence. In fact it is so far from being evidence that it constitutes not only a personal delusion but a untoward expectation that other people share it.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 04:54 pm
@spendius,
You do realize, Spendius, that you are responding to a post from two weeks ago.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 05:02 pm
@realjohnboy,
Maybe you should have named the thread "Digressions and the Economy".
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 05:24 pm
@realjohnboy,
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You do realize, Spendius, that you are responding to a post from two weeks ago.


I'm nothing if not flexible John.
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Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 01:25 pm
@au1929,
au1929 wrote:

Harbingers of Harder Times


Published: March 12, 2005

At $58.3 billion, the United States' trade deficit for January exceeded everyone's worst expectations. The huge mismatch reported yesterday between imports and exports just missed breaking the monthly record, set last November, and is all the more remarkable for occurring in a month when the price of oil actually declined.

The trade deficit is the single most important factor in measuring the extent to which the nation lives beyond its means. As such, it should force us to own up to the dangers of rampant deficit spending. But the White House is showing no sign of action, as if doing nothing might make the problem smaller.

In response to yesterday's trade deficit figure, the dollar weakened against the euro and the yen, and traders predicted further declines in the weeks and months ahead. That, in turn, contributed to a drop in stock and bond prices. Such gyrations are certainly not unprecedented. The dollar has been on a downward trajectory for three straight years and was going into a fresh skid even before the latest trade deficit figure was released.

That slump was largely in response to recent reports, some later denied, that Asian central bankers may begin moving their huge dollar holdings into other currencies. That would mean higher interest rates in the United States because the government would need to sweeten Treasury yields, and higher interest rates imply further declines in stock and bond prices. A declining dollar also risks higher inflation; more expensive imports give domestic producers an excuse to raise prices.

There may be more trouble to come. Next week, the government will release figures showing how much capital flowed into the United States from abroad in January. Those numbers were down by nearly one-third in December. If next week's report is disappointing, the logical response from the currency markets would be to sell dollars - again raising the threat of all the possible side effects.

Since the trade deficit is intimately connected to the federal budget deficit, the best way to reduce the trade imbalance is to reduce the budget gap. But President Bush is calling for more tax cuts, politically implausible spending cuts and costly Social Security privatization. Both parties in Congress must address the twin trade and budget deficits - or risk being forced to do so by events beyond their control.

Do you believe that the US may be approaching economic disaster? If so what can or should the administration and congress do to avert it?


Presidents have nothing to do with what congress does, just sign bills that may or not be funded.
 

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