Where is the US economy headed?

@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

mentally retarded? Senile? How about the criminally insane?

Sure why not? I'm sure they have an opinion. It might not be your opinion but they still have one.

Think of it as a jury with advisers. The advisers don't dictate how they should think, but are there to provide information. So all the people really need is their own personal experience and their personal opinions. It really is no different.

The only thing I am cutting out is this absurd need that a presidential candidate needs to be a multi-millionaire to have a chance in hell of taking office. It shouldn't be that way. There is no reason at all why a person right off the street can't do just as good a job if not better than some rich snob.

You know our current system is really one of sponsoring the president? Campaigning requires so much money that companies essentially invest in the president and then when elected the president gives aid to those companies who sponsored their campaign. We all know this is true but it is the worst system because it no longer takes the people's interest in mind but instead it holds the sponsor's interests over that of the people.

Making the process random, where we just pull people out of society to serve gets rid of this system. So there is no corporate investments or sponsoring. No kickbacks and no special interest groups.

I would much rather have a mentally ill person or the chances of a psychopath then to continue with this corporate sponsorship system. We have a corrupt system and it no longer does what's best for the people. It is only concerned about it's sponsors and investors.

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@mysteryman,

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mentally retarded? Senile? How about the criminally insane?

If the majority of the jury finds this to be the case "that one of them is mentally retarded, senile or criminally insane and has an efect on the out come of the vote then yes maybe they should be reconsider.

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

If the majority of the jury finds this to be the case "that one of them is mentally retarded, senile or criminally insane and has an efect on the out come of the vote then yes maybe they should be reconsider.

I don't think it should be a deadlock system. So the value of each's ideas or opinions are equal to each others rather than all or nothing approach. So yes the mentally ill person might have absurd reasoning but they are balanced out by the others.

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@roger,

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I think the idea is shaky at the least,

And the current system of allowing corporate raiders to nominate your political "decision-makers" is agreeable with you, Roger?

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but in fairness, while the jury pool is random, some can be disqualified for cause, with a limited number of preemptory challenges allowed.

What is stopping us, as a group, from using the same preemptory challenges? Iceland selected their "group" from a web-based "election" process. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing it. The barrier seems to be in stepping up to the plate in the first instance. Talk is, after all, quite cheap.

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I don't think it's workable,

I don't think our current situation is workable, either. I think it will lead to complete anarchic overthrow, with all the associated blood, violence, waste, destruction, et al. I don't want "it" to go there at all. Vis-a-vis Egypt.

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but sometimes it does seem like we could have done better by throwing darts at a phone directory.

Yes, I agree. And that's why something positive needs to be done now, rather than later. Agreed?

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@Krumple,

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Making the process random, where we just pull people out of society to serve gets rid of this system. So there is no corporate investments or sponsoring. No kickbacks and no special interest groups.

Do you seriously think Krumpie that an elite chosen that way would not immediately think of kick backs and milking the special interest groups as dry as they could.

You had better not pick me at random.

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@spendius,

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Do you seriously think Krumpie that an elite chosen that way would not immediately think of kick backs and milking the special interest groups as dry as they could.

You had better not pick me at random.

They wouldn't be able to leverage it without the others being aware of it. You would probably spend most of your time trying to convince them to jump on board which you might get a few more but I doubt you would convince everyone. I know I wouldn't be inclined to do so.

Even if you did run your corruption, it wouldn't last because you would be replaced a year later. Corruption is always a possibility but there are also ways of making it harder to achieve. As our current system sits it is super easy to take advantage of. Which would you rather have?

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@Krumple,

I would far rather have our present systems than a bunch of randomly chosen gumps. That's for sure.

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@spendius,

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I would far rather have our present systems than a bunch of randomly chosen gumps. That's for sure.

Of course you would, of course you would.

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@Krumple,

I agree with you. This would be truly democratic. And better than the present system of rich and business controlling government.

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The last two posts are utopian nonsense with no connection to reality.

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@spendius,

So says the king of dont **** with the rich guys.

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@RABEL222,

You don't think you are ******* with the rich guys with your damp squibs do you?

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@RABEL222,

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So says the king of dont **** with the rich guys.

Rabel, don't mind spend he gets a little flustered when he thinks he has me in a corner and then he realizes there was no corner to back me into. If I said **** stinks, he would disagree with me. It doesn't matter what I write out he will always take the opposing side because he is... well you get the point.

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@spendius,

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You had better not pick me at random

That is why someone brougt up the criminally insane and the senile. We can only hope that the majority of the common man/woman has the best interest of their communitty "unlike you.

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@reasoning logic,

You're just hiding under the sheets of what a wonderfully caring and compassionate man you are. Which nobody in their right mind believes anyway.

What have you done in the interests of the community rl? Given all the old dears a little lump in their throats eh?

Your invidious posts flag up for all to see where you are coming from. And you're not much good at it either.

Do you really think that a nation of very, very nice men is in the interests of the community? You should read American history sometime and discover how your swanning flounce opportunities were created.

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@spendius,

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Do you really think that a nation of very, very nice men is in the interests of the community?

Well sure spendius. Do you really think that a nation of very, very mean men is in the interests of the community?
Is this not becoming the surival of the intellect or is it still who ever is willing to colonialise others and steal their resorces?

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@reasoning logic,

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Do you really think that a nation of very, very mean men is in the interests of the community?

I certainly do. They contest the ground with a small, disciplined and strong organisation with a powerful motive and throw thousands of miles of railways and telegraph wires across the continent and get the US show on the road.

Your lot are as large in number as they are disorganised with no discipline, ill defined ideas, usually simplified to absurdity and not properly understood but admittedly with indefinite good intentions.

As Walter Conkling said--" They forget that parties are not built up by deportment, or by ladies' magazines, or gush!"

I can imagine you in a salon reassuring ladies of a certain age that they are important people for discussing moral philosophy under your guidance. In general, in my experience, such company consists of the most rapacious flock of gannets that every stalked the earth. They are very far from being satisfied even when their bellies are full.

There's only one vision in sight--what wonderfully superior citizens they all are. And they couldn't lift one end of a railroad sleeper an inch off the ground.

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@spendius,

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I certainly do. They contest the ground with a small, disciplined and strong organisation with a powerful motive and throw thousands of miles of railways and telegraph wires across the continent and get the US show on the road.

Ok so you think that sociopaths should be in charge.

Would you be kind enough to explain why ethicist would not be able to do a better job of leading a nation?

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

Ok so you think that sociopaths should be in charge.

Why do you conclude that a "small disciplined organization" must necessarily be populated only with sociopaths?

reasoning logic wrote:

Would you be kind enough to explain why ethicist would not be able to do a better job of leading a nation?

Leadership requires special skills that go well beyond mere academic credentials. Moreover history has amply demonstrated that theological or even secular moralists generally make bad leaders and worse tyrants. Indeed history amply confirms this from Saul to Pope Alexander, to Mohammed, Robspierre, Lenin, Mao, and Pol Pot. A group of Marxist ethical reformers of mankind experimented with the creation of a "workers paradise" and a "new socialist man" throughout most of the unlamented 20th century. They killed tens of millions and condemned the rest to corruption, poverty and tyranny.

Perhaps you should speculate less and study more.

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@georgeob1,

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@reasoning logic,

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Do you really think that a nation of very, very mean men is in the interests of a country

spendius replied.

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I certainly do.

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Why do you conclude that a "small disciplined organization" must necessarily be populated only with sociopaths

Would you consider very, very mean men to be something other than sociopathic?

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