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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 01:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
What cause do you ascribe, hawk, to the "idiocy of the bank"?

Surely the $5.8 billion has not ceased to exist? Or if it has it might never have existed in the first place.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 01:19 pm
@spendius,
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Surely the $5.8 billion has not ceased to exist?


Sure it can as money is not the same as real wealth or real assets but is only a marker of wealth and can get completely out of touch with reality in one direction or another.

A trillion or so of claimed wealth disappear in the housing bubble for example and that is hardly the only example of billions or trillions ceasing to exist almost overnight.



hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 02:14 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

What cause do you ascribe, hawk, to the "idiocy of the bank"?

Surely the $5.8 billion has not ceased to exist? Or if it has it might never have existed in the first place.


Greed combined with the failure to properly judge risk......same as the rest of the major economic problems we are currently dealing with.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 02:58 pm
@BillRM,
So you are saying that the $5.8 billion when it did exist was an illusion. Things not real that we believe in are illusions.

If an illusion can bring happiness and joy, which the $5,8 billion must have done before it ceased to exist, why can't other illusions which bring a similar result to some be justified? God for example. Is "America" an illusion. It must partake of that quality to an evolutionist surely? Or even a scientific geologist.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 03:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Greed combined with the failure to properly judge risk......same as the rest of the major economic problems we are currently dealing with.


Both of those causes beg the question hawk. I was cueing you for a nice rant about education.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 03:17 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Greed combined with the failure to properly judge risk......same as the rest of the major economic problems we are currently dealing with.


Both of those causes beg the question hawk. I was cueing you for a nice rant about education.


Greed was foolishly fanned by the Enlightenment, and that problem will not be solved till this civilization dies and the next one is born. There was recently a scientific study which shows pretty conclusivily that humans are hard wired to minimize risk so our seeing this in our own time regarding the economy is just humans being humans. I don't see where a rant about our failed education system would be productive here.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 03:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
What if those who took the risks got a share in the lost $5.8 billion? They would be minimizing their own risk then. Others taking the actual risk without having any say.

Hasn't the education system, the general one extending beyond, and including, formal education, encouraged greed. Tuition fees are a bet that they will turn a profit.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 03:51 pm
@spendius,
What we call the education system is on fact an indoctrination program, the education system being long ago corrupted by those with power and turned into propaganda for their desire to collect more power. This idiocy with the banks flies because those who have drunk the kool-aid believe that growth is an imparitive and the risk is required to get growth, which is of course wrong....growth is required to prop up the failing regime, it is not reguired for good human life.

If the sheep were smarter then they would overthrow their masters, but that is not how it works, power has its own laws. The only hope for the sheep is to take what the masters say with a grain of salt, and then learn for themselves outside of the education system. In this thread I would not be making the useless call to fix the education system, I would be encouraging the idiots to ignore the so called education system....the one which keeps them stupid and docile, IE ripe for plunder.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 05:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I would be encouraging the idiots to ignore the so called education system....the one which keeps them stupid and docile, IE ripe for plunder.


Like the undercover down thumber eh?
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2012 08:21 pm
How about all you great economic junkies give this video a run down and give evidence to where it's claims are incorrect?

RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 10:50 am
@reasoning logic,
Big surprise! Bankers have been screwing the common man since Jesus kicked them out of the temple.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 10:54 am
@RABEL222,
I think that it may have been going on way before Jesus came into the picture. Idea
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 11:05 am
@reasoning logic,
True; any time man deals with money, greed seems a natural consequence.

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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 11:08 am
@Builder,
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Oh, and Reasoning Logic, keep the videos coming. ;-)


Thank you builder. Some one has to spread the truth so why not it be me? I sure hope that what I am spreading is truth, well if it is not maybe it will at least get people questioning things. Idea

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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 11:25 am
@RABEL222,
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Big surprise! Bankers have been screwing the common man since Jesus kicked them out of the temple.


I trust you are not suggesting that if banking was returned to the control of the Church the common man would cease getting screwed,

In those days money was a "goods" as pieces. As gold still is. Modern banking invented during the Christian hegemony has money as a point of dynamic force. Leverage. Double entry book-keeping or now you see it now you don't money.

In the days of Jesus, and after up to that invention, nerves of steel were required to get money and to keep it. Now nerves of steel are required to make money reproduce.

Whatever is said about bankers we still have a great deal to thank them for. And for the Christian mathematics that created them. Out of nowhere.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 11:28 am
@spendius,
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Whatever is said about bankers we still have a great deal to thank them for. And for the Christian mathematics that created them. Out of nowhere.


Are you certain that you want to give Christianity credit for this system that is failing?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 11:29 am
@reasoning logic,
From crooksandliars.com.

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Oh, and there is more. Much, much more. Mr. Glenn Kessler should have to retract his judgment, though I'm certain he will follow in Politifact's footsteps and find a way to dig in harder. He will do this despite hard, factual evidence that Bain Capital not only invested in companies specializing in outsourcing services, but also invested in companies that moved operations overseas, just like the OFA ad claims.

In addition to taking an interest in companies that specialized in outsourcing services, Bain also invested in firms that moved or expanded their own operations outside of the United States.

One of those was a California bicycle manufacturer called GT Bicycle Inc. that Bain bought in 1993. The growing company relied on Asian labor, according to SEC filings. Two years later, with the company continuing to expand, Bain helped take it public. In 1998, when Bain owned 22 percent of GT’s stock and had three members on the board, the bicycle maker was sold to Schwinn, which had also moved much of its manufacturing offshore as part of a wider trend in the bicycle industry of turning to Chinese labor.

Another Bain investment was electronics manufacturer SMTC Corp. In June 1998, during Romney’s last year at Bain, his private equity firm acquired a Colorado manufacturer that specialized in the assembly of printed circuit boards. That was one of several preliminary steps in 1998 that would culminate in a corporate merger a year later, five months after Romney left Bain. In July 1999, the Colorado firm acquired SMTC Corp., SEC filings show. Bain became the largest shareholder of SMTC and held three seats on its corporate board. Within a year of Bain taking over, SMTC told the SEC it was expanding production in Ireland and Mexico.

The dates aren't an accident. These companies were on track to close and move operations overseas along with the jobs long before Romney left Bain. Long before.

The Obama campaign responded to the article with the following statement:

“Tonight's story in the Washington Post exposed Mitt Romney's breathtaking hypocrisy. He has campaigned all over this country, vowing that he would be an advocate for American jobs. But tonight we learned that he made a fortune advising companies on how to outsource jobs to China and India. Maybe that explains why, despite his campaign rhetoric, Romney continues to support tax policies that would reward companies who send American jobs overseas."

It really is devastating to Romney, after all. The whole premise of his candidacy rests on his so-called better ability to create jobs. Yet here he is, working hard to destroy them.

The next time you hear Mitt Romney claim that he's all about jobs, just remember how many he sent overseas. Oh, and fire the fact-checkers.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 11:39 am
@cicerone imposter,
Thanks for sharing.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 11:43 am
@reasoning logic,
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Are you certain that you want to give Christianity credit for this system that is failing?


I don't yet accept that it is failing and if it is it could be put down to the decline in Christian morality. Against that you might say that such a system was bound to fail at some point and thus inventing it was an error.

But without the error our ladies would still be doing the washing on the river banks.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 11:45 am
@spendius,
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But without the error our ladies would still be doing the washing on the river banks.


So you think a religious belief led to indoor plumbing?
 

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