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Thu 3 Mar, 2005 12:19 am
It's been a struggle trying to understand the French, but I think it's more than just me!
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France child sex trial to open
A special hall has been built to accommodate the trial
One of the biggest criminal trials ever held in France is set to open, with 66 men and women set to face charges of rape and child sex abuse.
The trial will get under way on Thursday in a specially built hall in Angers, western France.
More than 60 lawyers will take part and the prosecution case runs to 430 pages, the French news agency AFP reports.
There are 45 alleged child victims - the oldest aged 14 and the youngest just six months.
Children bartered
Of the 66 defendants, 39 face charges of raping children under 15 and of pimping. A total of 39 men and 27 women are going on trial.
The crimes could incur jail terms ranging up to 30 years.
The crimes allegedly took place between June 1999 and February 2002 in Angers' Saint-Leonard district.
The prosecution says most were perpetrated in the flat of a former convicted sex offender, Franck Vergondy, and in sheds on garden allotments.
The crimes reportedly came to light when investigators monitored the activities of Eric Joubert, a convicted sex offender released in 1999. He and Mr Vergondy allegedly ran the paedophile ring.
Nearly all the defendants were living on welfare benefits.
"Parents of one kid sold her for a new car tyre," said lawyer Philippe Cosnard, quoted by the AFP news agency. Other children were allegedly bartered for small sums of money, food or cigarettes.
A girl of 10 was allegedly raped by more than 30 adults.
Prosecutors say more than half of the accused have admitted their guilt.
But the prosecution hopes to avoid any repetition of the errors that plagued a previous high-profile paedophile trial - the Outreau case in northern France last year.
In that case, the accused spent months in prison awaiting trial and 13 people were implicated on the testimony of a woman who later admitted she had been lying.
What are your special difficulties here, c.i.?
There will be more trials all over Europe (and the USA) coming in future, since police nowadays is better than before getting e.g. all those internet paedophile rings.
To sum the until now known up:
One of France's biggest-ever criminal trials got under way today as sixty-six people led by two former sex offenders stood accused of participating in a pedophilia ring in which children and babies were prostituted for food and small sums of money. All of the accused come from the poorest and least educated sections of society. In a 420-page legal filing state prosecutors contend that dozens of children, from the age of six months to fourteen years, were raped by their parents and offered to other adults for sex. Some of the 45 victims are expected to testify in the trial by closed-circuit television. None of the children will appear in court. Defense lawyers plan to argue that government social workers monitoring many of the suspects failed in their responsibilities to see any signs of abuse and that some of the defendants are illiterate and do not understand the charges against them. If convicted, thirty-nine people could face up to 30 years in prison if convicted of raping minors under age 15 and on prostitution charges. The others face up ten years in prison if convicted of sexual violence against minors and failure to denounce crimes.
It's a tough situation every where, isn't it? We must protect the innocent from false accusiations. We must protect our children. Often, the children are the only witnesses.
France is probably handling this as well as possible, and their system (Napoleonic Code?) seems less likely to result in a false acquittal than others, though I'm definately speaking as an outsider on this one.
Walter, I know that pedophiles exist everywhere - even in the US. The US media shares information when pedophiles in the US are caught; no surprise there. The exception seems to be the huge number of adults cooperating with each other in France; I don't ever remember the numbers in the US coming close. Gang rape of children is a real phenomenon, but maybe I'm wrong. Trying to understand.
Correct, roger. We lately had such a case here in Germany: a lot were accused - but only (more or less) hot air came out at the end (well, in the first few days of the trial, to be correct).
The Penal Code of 1810 (Code pénal), btw, was replaced by a new Code in 1994.
cicerone,
there was just a case here in San Diego, where a pedophile
ring was captured by undercover agents. Pedophiles are
(unlike this case in France) often highly educated individuals
who are extremely low profile and careful as to their
sexual perversion towards children.
They officially organized "adventure fishing trips" to Baja California where children were already waiting for them
in the hotels. Since Mexico is a poor country, you'll always
find desperate parents who prostitute their offspring for a few
dollars.
It's been reported that more and more pedophiles are
going into Mexico and other South American nations for
the sole purpose of exploring their sick perversion.
I physically get sick just thinking about these poor children.
CJ, Most countries of the world have gone through wars and other economic woes where it's citizens were somewhat forced into prostitution to get shelter and eat, and that includes the US, Asia, and Europe. Selling of their own children for prostitution isn't better or worse than infanticide practiced in India and China (until recent times). It's not a new phenomenon by any means. Those Americans traveling down to Mexico to practice their psychotic sexual habits with children will continue if we understand anything about supply and demand no matter how many are caught. I'd like to see those SOBs pay with their life.
cicerone imposter wrote: Trying to understand.
I only asked, because you wrote "The French".
I'm sure, these people don't even represent a minority of a minority in France - or anywhere.
Walter, I'm not sure of any numbers anywhere in this world concerning this topic.
The number of child victims in the recent Begium case(s) had been extraodinary higher.
I think, especially the French (and the Belgium) police is highly alarmed by that.
On the other site, here a quote from a British source ("Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary"):
Quote:[More than four out of 10 forces surveyed by the inspectors had not included child protection in their most recent policing plan.]
"If the protection of children and the investigation of child abuse are to move from being a stated priority to an actual priority, they need to become clearly visible within policing plans."
in canada there are/have been child porn/abuse cases before the courts. in a small city close by an abuse trial has been going on for years. it is claimed by some journalists that the abusers were highly placed people in the community (judges, senior police officials, priests) that were able to have the charges squashed. it's been going on for about ten years now; i wonder if it will ever be resolved.
but we have also had a very nasty case in western cnada where children were coerced by social workers and phychologists to give false testimony. in consequence the lives of several innocent people were ruined . to make matters worse the provincial department of justice refuses to exonerate the wrongly accused and has instead ordered a stay of prosecution (been going on for well over a year). there is no doubt in my mind that all must be done to stop child abuse and prostitution, but how can one be sure that innocent people will not be drawn into a case of false prosecution ? hbg
hbg, Once charged as a child-molester, it's difficult to reverse on the innocent man or woman to clear their names. I'm wondering if the charges against Michael Jackson is such.
The child poverty level in France is one of the lowest in the West according to UNICEF.
Actually, France is in the upper third:
Source
PDF-publication
I would say that "one of the lowest" includes "the upper third."
The debate now is if the trial should be open to the public
or closed.
What do you think: Should a trial with such magnitude be
open to the public?
No. The OJ trial was a circus. Trials are supposed to be serious stuff without the need for the attorneys or judge to consider what they're saying to the camera.
When the muslims take over in France they'll put a stop to that sort of bullshit....