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Hard to understand the French

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 02:55 am
gungasnake wrote:
When the muslims take over in France they'll put a stop to that sort of bullshit....


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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 03:15 am
gungasnake wrote:
When the muslims take over in France they'll put a stop to that sort of bullshit....
going out in the media?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 10:17 am
@ gungasnake
I believe the muslim population in France is around 7 %,
not enough for a take over, don't you think?

Despite what happened in Outreau, every pedophilia case
should be considered as such, and I agree with cicerone,
the trial needs to be conducted behind closed doors.
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 10:24 am
I don't understand the French at all. I understand a little of the German and Spanish if they don't talk too fast.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 10:47 am
I hardly understand how this kind of things can happen in this country.

After Outreau, justice understood that the trial must be conducted otherwise.

This time, no kids in court, only their records at the time. And trial behind closed doors.

The case is somehow different from Outreau. Three thirds of the accused made <consents?>
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 10:53 am
You mean they confessed to the crimes?
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 10:54 am
Yes, CJ!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 10:57 am
[If this had happened in Germany, it would be dealt with at a Junevile Court (because of the children/under 18's), and trials there are per se non-public trials.]
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 11:05 am
Walter, is there a pedophile movement in Germany, as it is
prevalent now in France, Belgium, England, or the US?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 11:08 am
Although I don't hope so, I'm rather sure it is - they've found last week children porn again a some dozen computers. (Well, that's IMHO another aspect of the problem.)
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 11:18 am
What do you mean with "another aspect"?
That child pornography is so readily available on the internet?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2005 11:23 am
Seems, people exchange frequently year-old pics via email, cds etc(and 'yes', child pornography is quite easily to get on the web).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 03:12 am
Quote:
Paedophile trial hears 430-page litany of child sex abuse charges

By John Lichfield
11 March 2005


A three-day litany of accusations of sexual abuse of children has revealed the full horror of the vast paedophile trial in Angers, in western France.

Five court officials, working in relays, read out 430 pages of allegations against the 66 people on trial for raping, sexually assaulting, prostituting or failing to help 45 children aged between six months and 12 years.

The trial finally moved on yesterday afternoon to question the defendants on their personal history and social background. The first week of the trial, which is expected to take up to five months, has also been marked by a death threat screamed by one defendant at another and the collapse of three other defendants from "emotional exhaustion". The court was told children, including babies and toddlers, had been abused by their parents and hired to other adults for small sums of money or boxes of food or cigarettes.

The charge sheets spoke of children being stripped and told to "play at mummy and daddy" with naked adults. They spoke of children screaming and begging to be rescued, as parents watched or participated.

The three judges and nine jurors were told sisters, aged three and four at the time, were "reduced to the state of sexual objects" by their parents. It is alleged they were raped or assaulted by 25 adults from January 1999 to February 2002.

Their parents, Franck and Patricia V, who are in their mid-thirties, are alleged to have been at the centre of the network. M. V's father, convicted of abusing him as a child, is now accused of videotaping the abuse of his grandchildren.
Source
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 09:30 am
I physically get nauseated reading this. How callous can
one be with his own flesh and blood Sad
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 09:31 am
Right, but what happened that they became such? Why did they act so?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 09:35 am
That's no excuse Walter. The last paragraph states,
that the father of the 2 little girls was abused himself
as a child. This indeed is a tragic event in his life, but
if anything, he should know how it feels to be molested
and try to protect his daughters instead of commiting
the same crimes he was a victim of as a child.

An adult always has a choice, a child doesn't. No mercy
from my side.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 09:57 am
My remark wasn't thought at all to be an excuse, CJ!

[Those who abuse now, have been quite often abused victims as well. My questions above were more going in direction: what went wrong with a society, where such happens?]
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 10:48 am
Walter, You ask questions that are almost impossible to answer. "What went wrong" applies to more than child molestation/abuse of humanity. That the US was/is responsible for the killing of more than 15,000 women and children in Iraq without a blink of an eye disturbs me as much or more. And we all know about the holocaust, the inquisition, Mao, North Korea, etc., etc., etc....
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 10:49 am
And I'd be amiss if I didn't include the "Rape of Nanking" by the Japanese.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 11:05 am
Sorry Walter, I missunderstood then. What went wrong with
society?

Actually, the case in France is somewhat unusual, as
pedophiles are mostly highly educated and not seldom
the pillars of the very same society, we're part of.

Sure, we as a society have to find ways, that the poor
are not exploited to the extend that they're selling their
children in order to gain the necessities to survive.

This seemed to be the problem in France as the accused
are all below poverty levels, it is a problem in Mexico and
other South American nations as well as in Africa.

As long as it is enticing for those poor souls to sell their
children in exchange for money or goods, we haven't
addressed the problem.
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