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What’s up in London? Murder rate surpassed NY

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 11:41 am
@coldjoint,
Earsþerl.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 01:28 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Earsþerl.

Name calling from a genius? How the mighty have fallen. Shocked

Latin next?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2018 12:34 am
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Donald Trump on Friday fuelled fears of a knife crime epidemic in London by comparing a hospital in the city to “a war zone”, with blood all over the floors.

The US president, addressing the National Rifle Association (NRA) convention in Dallas, made the inflammatory comments two months before he is due to make his first visit to the UK.

Using a familiar conservative argument to defend gun ownership, Trump asked sarcastically whether vans, trucks and cars, which have been used by terrorists, should be banned. Then he turned to knives.

“I recently read a story that in London, which has unbelievably tough gun laws, a once very prestigious hospital, right in the middle, is like a war zone for horrible stabbing wounds,” he said. “Yes, that’s right, they don’t have guns, they have knives and instead there’s blood all over the floors of this hospital. They say it’s as bad as a military war zone hospital.”

Trump stabbed the air several times with an imaginary knife and muttered: “Knives, knives, knives.”

He added: “London hasn’t been used to that. They’re getting used to it. Pretty tough. We’re here today because we recognise a simple fact: the one thing that has always stood between the American people and the elimination of our second amendment rights has been conservatives in Congress willing to fight for those rights. We’re fighting.”

It was not immediately clear which “story” Trump had read about London, but a strong contender is a Mail Online article published last month. Its headline said: “Surgeon says he is regularly treating children in school uniform for gun and knife wounds in London hospital which is ‘like Afghan war zone’.”

The article quoted a BBC Radio 4 interview with Martin Griffiths, a lead trauma surgeon at the Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel, where it said a record 702 stabbing victims were treated in 2017. “Griffiths said colleagues who served in the military likened their work at the London hospital to being back at Camp Bastion, the British forces base in war-torn Afghanistan,” Mail Online reported.

Trump’s mother was British but there have been bumps in the transatlantic relationship since he took office. Theresa May, the first foreign leader to come to his White House, invited Trump on a state visit but that honour seems to be on indefinite hold.

Last June, Trump criticised Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, hours after a deadly terrorist attack, based on a selective and misleading quotation. Khan’s office said the mayor had “more important things to do than respond to Donald Trump’s ill-informed tweet that deliberately takes out of context his remarks”.

In November, May rebuked Trump for retweeting anti-Islamic posts by the far-right fringe group Britain First. The president, whose relations with France’s Emmanuel Macron appear far warmer, will finally make a “working visit” to the UK on Friday 13 July, immediately after a Nato summit in Brussels.

Mass protests are expected. Khan tweeted last month: “If he comes to London, President Trump will experience an open and diverse city that has always chosen unity over division and hope over fear. He will also no doubt see that Londoners hold their liberal values of freedom of speech very dear.”
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2018 10:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Trump's knife crime comments are ridiculous, says London surgeon
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Trauma system director rejects US president’s suggestion that guns are a solution to stabbings

The suggestion by Donald Trump that guns are part of the solution to knife crime in London is ridiculous, a trauma surgeon in the capital has said.

The US president told the National Rifle Association convention in Dallas on Friday that a “once very prestigious hospital” in London was .

He appeared to be referring to reported comments from Martin Griffiths, a lead trauma surgeon at the Royal London hospital, in Whitechapel, who likened the spate of stabbing victims coming through the doors .

Prof Karim Brohi, another surgeon at the hospital and the director of London’s major trauma system, said knife violence was a serious issue for London.

“We are proud of the excellent trauma care we provide and of our violence reduction programmes,” he said in a statement on Saturday. “The Royal London hospital has cut the number of our young patients returning after further knife attacks from 45% to 1%.

“There is more we can all do to combat this violence, but to suggest guns are part of the solution is ridiculous. Gunshot wounds are at least twice as lethal as knife injuries and more difficult to repair. We are proud of our world-leading service and to serve the people of London.”
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The London mayor, Sadiq Khan, who has previously clashed with Trump over terrorist attacks in the capital, declined to respond to the president’s latest remarks.

Charlie Falconer, a former justice secretary, said: “Trump makes Londoners dislike him more, and the US dislike London more. Mutual dislike is not good as the UK leaves the EU. Trump gives the impression he couldn’t give a fig.”
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2018 10:38 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Trump's knife crime comments are ridiculous, says London surgeon

London and the UK are ridiculous blaming the problem on knives and not the self-inflicted Islamic invasion.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2018 11:06 am
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A Month of Islam and Multiculturalism in Britain: April 2018

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April 9. Almost two cases of female genital mutilation (FGM) a day on average are being identified by doctors in the Birmingham area alone, according to an analysis of data compiled by the NHS. In 2017, there were 620 cases just in Birmingham and environs where a woman was newly recorded in the FGM dataset. FGM has been illegal in the UK since 1985, but there has still not been a single successful prosecution for the offense.

This is how cowards think.
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April 27. Doctors, nurses and teachers are still nervous about being branded racist if they speak to families about female genital mutilation (FGM), according to Hazel Barrett, a professor at Coventry University and expert in FGM.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12252/islam-multiculturalism-britain-april
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2018 12:39 pm
@Walter Hinteler,

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LONDON (Reuters) - Trauma surgeons in London said U.S. President Donald Trump had missed the point after he linked a wave of knife crime in the British capital to a ban on handguns.

Anger also flared in France after Trump, in a speech to the National Rifle Association (NRA), used his hands in a gesture to mimic the shooting of victims in Paris in 2015.

Last month, trauma surgeon Martin Griffiths told the BBC that some of his colleagues had likened the Royal London Hospital in east London where he works to the former British military base Camp Bastion in Afghanistan.

“Some of my military colleagues have described their practice here as being similar to being at Bastion,” he said. “About a quarter of what we see in our practice is knife and gun injury. And it’s now we’re doing major life-saving cases on a daily basis.”

But on Saturday he implied Trump had drawn the wrong conclusion from his remarks, saying on Twitter that he would be happy to invite Trump to his “prestigious” hospital to discuss London’s efforts to reduce violence.

Griffiths posted his comment next to an animation of a stick figure with the phrase “The Point” flying over its head, and also linked to a statement on the hospital’s website by a fellow trauma surgeon, Karim Brohi.

“There is more we can all do to combat this violence, but to suggest guns are part of the solution is ridiculous. Gunshot wounds are at least twice as lethal as knife injuries and more difficult to repair,” Brohi said in the statement on Saturday.
reuters
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2018 12:51 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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There was also anger from families affected by knife crime. One woman, whose 20-year-old daughter was shot dead in 2003, told the Daily Telegraph newspaper that she was “horrified and offended” by Trump's comments and that since he made the remarks on Friday she had received a number of phone calls from other families affected by knife and gun violence who felt the same.

“Mr. Trump may be a businessman, and the U.S. does see guns as big business and money is important to them, but we are mothers and have lost our children to violence,” Bhupinder Iffat Rizvi told the Daily Telegraph.
WaPo

Daily Telegraph: Donald Trump comments on London knife crime branded 'absurd and offensive' by victims' families:
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Professor Karim Brohi, trauma surgeon at The Royal London Hospital and director of London’s major trauma system, said the medical staff were proud of the "excellent trauma care" they provide, adding that it was "ridiculous" for the president to suggest guns could be part of the solution to knife crime.

"The Royal London Hospital has cut the number of our young patients returning after further knife attacks from 45 per cent to 1 per cent,” he said in a statement. “There is more we can all do to combat this violence, but to suggest guns are part of the solution is ridiculous.

“Gunshot wounds are at least twice as lethal as knife injuries and more difficult to repair."

wounds are at least twice as lethal as knife injuries and more difficult to repair."
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Caroline Shearer, from Essex who set up Only Cowards Carry after her son Jay Whiston, 17, was murdered at a Colchester house party in September 2012, said that the last thing Britain needed was to follow America’s example where “nutcases” carry guns.

“We have enough of a problem with knife crime,” she said. “We don’t need a new problem with gun crime. That’s the last thing we need. We have got enough nutcases running around with knives. Can you imagine what it would be like if they had guns?

“We must not go down that route otherwise we are heading for even more of a disaster.”
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2018 03:21 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Donald Trump comments on London knife crime branded 'absurd and offensive' by victims' families:

Laughing Laughing Laughing Get in line and sue him.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2018 04:03 pm
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UK: Muslim rapist gets one-year sentence for “grooming” 12-year-old girl for sex

I would not be surprised if somewhere here thinks that sentence is too long. Does anyone think this is any kind of deterrent when these girls lives are most likely ruined? This will not stop Muslims from stabbing people either.

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The coverups of the Muslim rape gangs, the media references to them as “Asian grooming gangs,” and now, the light sentence given to Rana Irfan Aslam all demonstrate the decline of the UK. All too many in the country have embraced dhimmitude and with it, a view of their own infidel girls and women as inferiors to be abused by Muslim men.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/uk-muslim-rapist-gets-one-year-sentence-for-grooming-12-year-old-girl-for-sex





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maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2018 07:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Gee...I really wondered why someone would bring this upright after the various shootings here in the USA.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 08:43 pm
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UK proposes six-year prison sentence for criticizing Islam

That will stop the violence
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The draft law speaks only about criticizing “religion,” but everyone knows which religion is meant. No one is going to go to prison for criticizing Christianity or Judaism. This is more of Britain’s gallop toward Sharia and ruin.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/uk-proposes-six-year-prison-sentence-for-criticizing-islam
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 10:57 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

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UK proposes six-year prison sentence for criticizing Islam


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The draft law speaks only about criticizing “religion,” but everyone knows which religion is meant. No one is going to go to prison for criticizing Christianity or Judaism. This is more of Britain’s gallop toward Sharia and ruin.


Just to get things a bit correct:
• it's not "the UK proposes", it's here about the jurisdiction of England and Wales,
• it's not a "draft law", but a "Public Order Offences Guidelines Consultation" by the Sentencing Council for England and Wales.


Since you are so much engeged in the law of England and Wales, you can participate:
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This consultation is open to everyone including members of the public, judiciary, legal practitioners
and any individuals who work in or have an interest in criminal justice.
Duration:
From 9 May 2018 to 8 August 2018
Enquiries (including requests for the paper in an alternative format) to:
Office of the Sentencing Council
Royal Courts of Justice
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 11:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Since you are so much engeged in the law of England and Wales, you can participate:

Put a sock in it Wally. I do not care about details. The bottom line is those who criticize Islam will be punished. If that is too hard to understand they are basically enforcing Sharia. Nazis.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2018 11:38 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
I do not care about details.
I know, and many more here, too.

Just to remind you: a law is a law.
The sentencing council gives advice for the judges about the ... sentence.

And the law already exist: Public Order Act 1986.
(Thus it's called: "New guidelines proposed for sentencing people convicted of public order offences.")
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2018 10:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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I know, and many more here, too.

You know that Europe is in the toilet? I worry more about the result of these laws and not very much about what you or others think because you are dishonest about Islam.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2018 10:16 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
I worry more about the result of these laws
Since 1986? You really should get in contact with the Sentencing Council!

You oppose the other guidelines (like those about terrorism, definitive now) as well or just the laws?
If it's that you oppose the laws - you said so - you should elect a MP according to your amusement, hoping that others will follow him in Parliament.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2018 10:24 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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If it's that you oppose the laws - you said so - you should elect a MP

You know I can't do that. But you and other Europeans could. If you are happy living under your governments that honor Islamic blasphemy laws all I can do is question your manhood.

That question has already been answered in both the UK and Germany. The only men in those countries are Islamic.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2018 10:34 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
But you and other Europeans could.
I can't vote in England (or the UK), only British and Irish nationals living there can vot MPs.
And you must live in England and Wales, if you want a MP to change the criminal law of that jurisdiction.
However, you originally didn't complain about the law but about the consultation for Public Order offences by the Sentencing Council for England and Wales ...

Coming back to the topic here: would do you think about the results of the consultation on a draft guideline for Bladed Articles and Offensive Weapons?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2018 10:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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do you think about the results of the consultation on a draft guideline for Bladed Articles and Offensive Weapons?

I would say it is a waste of time because weapons are not the problem here. Multiculture is the problem because Islam will not coexist with any other society. Time to admit that.
 

 
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