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What’s up in London? Murder rate surpassed NY

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2018 07:54 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Throwing money at a problem never solves it.


Depends on the problem....
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2018 08:43 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Depends on the problem....


I know, but this is not fixable like plumbing or bridges. In London it is gangs. A religion is behind the gang trouble. The nicest thing you can call it is a problem with youth? They have already wasted their breath, why waste their money?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2018 10:52 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Throwing money at a problem never solves it.
I don't know your experiences in the field of primary prevention, but due to my own experiences when working in prevention (from youth centres over state police department to teaching at university) it does. (Of course not not 100%.)
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2018 11:57 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
I don't know your experiences in the field of primary prevention,


We(I) call it "parenting".
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 12:11 am
@coldjoint,
Thank you.
Since I'm not a native English speaker: how do you call secondary and tertiary prevention?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 09:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
how do you call secondary and tertiary prevention?

Let's call it a waste of money.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 09:09 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Quote:
how do you call secondary and tertiary prevention?
Let's call it a waste of money.
Interesting.
I know that the heath insurances aren't the same as elsewhere, but I do know that you've got hospices, rehabilitation, psychotherapy etc.

However, looking at your agenda here, your wish is not surprising at all.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 09:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
but I do know that you've got rehabilitation, psychotherapy etc.

Then you also should know we have massive fraud in health care. One of the reasons the fraud exists is the availability of funds that guarantee no results. Rehabilitation is just another way of treating the criminal better than the victim in most cases there a 0 results, only the cries for more money to do very little else than enable more fraud.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 10:08 am
@coldjoint,
So you call it "waste of money" if someone gets psycho- and/or physiotherapy, any other kind of rehabilitation or palliative care because you "have massive fraud in health care".
coldjoint" wrote:
Rehabilitation is just another way of treating the criminal better than the victim in most cases there a 0 results
You curtainly have better experiences here, too, than anyone else. (In the suburbain village I live, we've two larger rehabilitation clinics but the normal rehabilitation as well by specialist doctors for rehabilitation in practises and practises for physiotherapy.
No-one here thinks that such enables fraud, but perhaps we really should take up your expert opinion.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 10:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
No-one here thinks that such enables fraud, but perhaps we really should take up your expert opinion.

Since when do you speak for everyone? A little bit Nazi-like Wally. Laughing Laughing Laughing
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 10:15 am
@Walter Hinteler,
that poster's responses help us understand why veterans get such poor care in the US - it reminds me a bit of the Korean response to illness/disease/injury - they're not 100%/perfect, might as well dump them
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 10:27 am
@ehBeth,
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help understand why veterans get such poor care in the US


I said nothing about veterans. Why don't you comment on what I actually said?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 10:28 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Since when do you speak for everyone? A little bit Nazi-like Wally. Laughing Laughing Laughing
Our healthcare system is older than Nazi times.
But you're correct that I don't speak for everyone - many think that we should have more than we 280 rehabilitation clinics we still got, but at least, the palliative care is improving.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 10:30 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
I said nothing about veterans.
You didn't exclude them.
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
how do you call secondary and tertiary prevention?

Let's call it a waste of money.

So now you say, just veterans should get second and tertiary prevention?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 10:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Our healthcare system


No one cares, ever hear that before?
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 10:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
So now you say,


Wally please tell someone else what they say, it doesn't fly with me.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 10:38 am
@coldjoint,
https://i.imgur.com/fsX4v6Wh.jpg
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 11:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Out of context Wally, it does not apply to veterans. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 11:24 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Out of context Wally, it does not apply to veterans.
You hadn't specified any exceptions in your answer.
coldjoint wrote:
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Do you really think that I can read your secret thoughts behind a written answer? Mind reading isn't my speciality (though in person-centred therapy), even if you've tried telepathy.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2018 11:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
You hadn't specified any exceptions in your answer.

Pardon me, go away Laughing .
 

 
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