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What’s up in London? Murder rate surpassed NY

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 05:31 am
I think there is a direct connection between the austerity and the increase in crime. When police presence recedes, it emboldens illegal behavior. I’m not sure exactly in what other ways austerity might affect poorer people, but I don’t doubt there are more reverberations to the financially struggling population.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 07:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
More about the the leaked Home Office document in a Guardian report:

Police cuts left out of government's key violent crime strategy
Quote:
Tackling violence not just law enforcement issue, says document published amid row over leaked report
[...]
The leak threatened to overshadow the broader findings of the strategy, such as the impact of drug markets, social and economic disadvantages and social media, at a time when knife and gun deaths on British streets, particularly in London, have surged. There have been more than 50 suspected murders in the capital this year.

The final 115-page document contains little about the impact of increasing or decreasing police numbers, despite the research seen by the Guardian being clear on its findings and marked “official – sensitive”.
[...]
While a rise in violent crime can partly be attributed to improved police recording, other data sources suggest there has been a genuine rise.

Hospital data, unaffected by the changes to police figures, also shows that certain types of serious violence are genuinely rising and have been since 2014-15; admissions for assault by sharp objects increased by 18%.

In preparation for the launch of the strategy, officials prepared a document in February on the factors behind the rise in violent crime.

Leaked to the Guardian, a section on police resources says: “Since 2012-13, weighted crime demand on the police has risen, largely due to growth in recorded sex offences. At the same time officers’ numbers have fallen by 5% since 2014.

“So resources dedicated to serious violence have come under pressure and charge rates have dropped. This may have encouraged offenders. [It is] unlikely to be the factor that triggered the shift in serious violence, but may be an underlying driver that has allowed the rise to continue.”

A highlighted box emphasises the point: “Not the main driver but has likely contributed.”

The final strategy advocates possible use of “hotspot policing” and other forms of targeted policing where there is proven evidence of effectiveness. This does not mean an increase in numbers, but rather a redistribution of officers, including community support officers, to neighbourhoods identified as being hotspots for crime.

The strategy does not advocate increased use of stop and search. It says research by College of Policing and the Home Office has also shown that changes in the level of stop and search have only minimal effects, at best, on trends in violent crime, even when measured at the local level.

Looking at individual drivers behind violent crime, the strategy states that it shares similar risk factors with other types of crime and anti-social behaviour and will also link with other “poor life outcomes” such as low educational attainment, poor health and unemployment.

“Consequently socioeconomic improvements, strengthening ties to family, school and non-violent norms are key areas for reducing violence,” it said.

A study looking at 80 firearms offenders convicted in England and Wales found most came from disrupted family environments and more than half reported being excluded from school, the report said.

Young people who became involved in gangs were characterised by childhood disadvantage, including family poverty and living in high crime neighbourhoods, it said. Therewas also “strong evidence” that rival gangs were using social media to promote gang culture, taunt each other and incite violence, the document said.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 11:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Labour MP Chuka Umunna has crossed party lines to join a government taskforce on tackling violent crime.
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Announcing his decision to accept Ms Rudd’s invitation, that Mr Umunna said: "My community would never forgive me if I allowed tribal, party politics to get in the way of us working together to stop the extreme and serious youth violence that has been blighting our streets for far too long.

“This is why I have not hesitated in accepting the home secretary's invitation to join the government's cross-party Serious Violence Taskforce. We need a more joined up approach across the whole of the public sector and that must include parliament.

He added: “In addition to carrying out my duties as a legislator scrutinising government policy, this provides an excellent opportunity to hold the government to account and to see whether policy is being properly implemented in my community and in others affected by this violence."
Source
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 11:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Labour MP Chuka Umunna has crossed party lines to join a government taskforce on tackling violent crime.


Lip service. Crime will continue to increase.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 11:43 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Lip service.
At least, this Labour MP has announced it - might well be that he returns to the party line.

coldjoint wrote:
Other than your glass bowl - what are your credentials on this subject?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 11:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Other than your glass bowl - what are your credentials on this subject?

I don't recall writing that, but I like it. When you start talking about the real cause of the crime let me know.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 12:14 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
When you start talking about the real cause of the crime let me know.
'The crime' in general or a specific one?

I'm not a criminologist.

But I wrote my MA in social work about prevention, did a three year post-graduate course (sponsored by my state's health ministry) in prevention work, worked a couple of years in this field (including some time in the prevention department of our state's Criminal Police Office), was a lecturer in prevention work at university ... but neither in England and Wales nor in Scotland, only here in Germany.
So I'm really not a specialist about the situation there.

However, since I do have personal, local knowledge of both separate parts of the UK, I do think that the Scottish approach seems to be the best.

And police cuts lead to violent crime.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 12:33 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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'The crime' in general or a specific one?

First, the real crime is what the UK's leaders have done to their country. Multiculture has failed, and the crimes are due to that failure. Islam does not coexist.
Plus these criminals are in gangs and they are not white. The idiots running things STILL do not want be called racist. Criminals are not a race.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 12:49 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
First, the real crime is what the UK's leaders have done to their country.
I suppose that your use of 'crime' has a colloquial meaning and is neither related to English nor to Scottish law (or that of Northern Ireland, since you mention "UK's leaders").

"Leaders of the UK" - would you mind to be more specific here? Do you refer to the Monarch as head of state or to the Leader of the House of Commons or to both (because of the plural)?
We've got the Leader of the House of Lords, too, and the Leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition ...

And to what time period are you referring - the Empire at its greatest time (largest extension)?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 01:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
There really is no need to elaborate on what I said. The problem comes from the government ramming Islam and the crime that comes with it down the throats of its people while posturing and appeasing hoping they will behave.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 01:17 pm
@coldjoint,
The might be no need to elaborate on what you said.
But since you want an answer, it would be it would be easier to give a well-founded answer, if i knew what you mean.

For instance, in your last response, to what "the government" do you refer? (There alone were about 20 during the last 30 years, but you have to go back 1800, if you want to discuss "your point".[Or at least to the 1950's])

And why do you leave out Parliament?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 01:36 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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well-founded answer,


There is, ask the girls who were raped.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 01:41 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
There is, ask the girls who were raped.
Raped when and where?

And with what girls did you speak? (I didn't but I'm friendly with someone working in a sexual assault referral centre.)
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 02:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You know exactly what I am talking about, remember how smart you are?

Why don't you tell me one positive thing Islam has done for the UK?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 06:12 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

coldjoint wrote:
There is, ask the girls who were raped.
Raped when and where?

And with what girls did you speak? (I didn't but I'm friendly with someone working in a sexual assault referral centre.)


I believe he is referring to the New Year Celebrations (we call it rape in America) in the Cologne City Center. You remember those, right?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2018 06:48 pm
@McGentrix,


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I believe he is referring to the New Year Celebrations (we call it rape in America) in the Cologne City Center. You remember those, right?


Walter ignores news like that like Izzy and Centrox ignore news like that. It has not happened to them, but it is happening to their countrymen.

I await a positive thing Islam has done for any host country.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2018 09:33 am
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Ignoring violent migrants, London takes a stab at Granny's knives


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In an editorial about the knife ban, The Washington Times pointed out the foreign-born population in the UK has more than doubled from 1993 to 2015, from 3.8 million to 8.7 million. The number of migrants is estimated to be 37 percent of London's population compared to 10 percent across the country.

"Well, that high-migration rate has apparently been having an effect — and it’s called Uptick in Murder," the Times opined in the April 9 editorial.

Great Britain is also besieged by toxic political correctness, which has been directly tied to the Rotherham scandal in which authorities refused to investigate and arrest Pakistani-born Muslims for fear of accusations of racism.

Again, the root cause of these crimes is the last thing anyone wants to admit, let alone discuss.
https://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2018/04/10/ignoring-violent-migrants-london-takes-a-stab-at-grannys-knives?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2018 09:58 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Again, the root cause of these crimes is the last thing anyone wants to admit, let alone discuss.
In April 2001, 8.3 percent of the country's population were foreign-born.
This was substantially less than that of major immigration countries such as Australia (23 percent), Canada (19.3 percent) and the USA (12.3 percent).

A 2010 estimate for the whole of the UK shows that 4.76 million people (7.7 percent) were born outside the EU and 2.24 million (3.6 percent) were born in another EU member state. (The 2015 number is only an estimate, there wasn't a census)
The largest number of foreign born persons in the UK are from the Republic of Ireland (more than 500.00). And more than 200.000 were born in the USA.

The 2004 and 2007 enlargements of the European Union have led to mass migration especially from Bulgaria, Latvia, Romania, Poland, Slovakia and Lithuania.
That will end after the Brexit.
And those from the Commonwealth countries, well see here

coldjoint wrote:
The number of migrants is estimated to be 37 percent of London's population compared to 10 percent across the country.
That will change after the EU finally has left, and the foreign born bankers bankers have gone to Ireland, The Netherlands, France, Germany ..
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2018 10:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
In April 2001, 8.3 percent of the country's population were foreign-born.
This was substantially less than that of major immigration countries such as Australia (23 percent), Canada (19.3 percent) and the USA (12.3 percent).


It is not 2001. You are not ever going to admit the truth. Your endless bullshit is tiresome.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2018 11:06 am

Sadiq Khan holds City Hall summit on how to tackle violent crime

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London mayor urged cross-party focus after criticism that police funding cuts have led to surge

Sadiq Khan met politicians including home secretary Amber Rudd as well as Metropolitan police commissioner Cressida Dick on Tuesday for a summit on how to tackle the surge in serious crime.

The London mayor, who has denied that police have “lost control of crime” in the capital, has been under pressure to take public action in the wake of more than 50 murders in the capital this year, many of them stabbings.

He told his audience at the private event, which also included shadow home secretary Diane Abbott and Lib Dem leader Sir Vince Cable, that while they had differences over police funding, he wanted to concentrate on the issues that they could all address.

The City Hall meeting followed a difficult day for the home secretary as the launch of her serious violence strategy was overshadowed by a report, leaked to the Guardian, that police funding cuts “probably contributed” to the rise in violent crime.

But one attendee said the failure to address police cuts in detail was “the elephant in the room”, with council leaders and MPs standing up in turn to describe how their communities were suffering as a result.

After the event, Rudd said it was “a very useful meeting”, but would not be drawn on whether she accepted any of the concerns about lack of resources, while Khan said the gathering showed the cross-party commitment to tackling the problem.

One guest at the event said: “It felt like a good show of unity, but when it comes to solutions, there are going to be problems. There’s not a lot they really agree on.”

Labour’s Stella Creasy, MP for Walthamstow, said: “They’re not wrong to say it’s not just about police numbers, it’s about what they do next. But everybody knows that resources would help.”

Former Tory cabinet minister Justine Greening, the MP for Putney, said: “What Londoners really want to see is not just some talking but more action. We heard a lot about strategy, but for a lot of us with local communities that are really worried about the upswing in violent crime, I think we want to hear about what’s actually going to change on the ground.”

Khan, who said he would push for “relentless focus” on prevention, has announced a £45m fund for young people at risk of getting caught up in violence and £15m for the police specifically to tackle knife crime.

Hours later, Jeremy Corbyn held his own round table, also attended by the mayor, which party sources said would help recast Labour’s policies to tackle knife crime following the surge in violence. His home affairs team, policy experts, youth workers, police officers and victims discussed measures including evidence-based stop and search and funding to properly embed police in communities.

The panel also talked about the importance of a longer-term, holistic approach to areas like housing and education, as well as supporting grassroots initiatives, to avoid young people getting caught up in crime in the first place. Party sources present at the meeting, which was attended by Corbyn’s policy chief, Andrew Fisher, said some of the initiatives would “feed into” longer-term planning.
 

 
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