Does Religion Have a Place in the Future of Humankind?

Quote, "... b/c every historian believes ..." is so much BS, I wouldn't know where to start. Just for one, let's start with geologists and scientists that work in the field. What do they say about the "flood?" Jesus and David are fictional characters in one book that the religious consider their "bible." Hardly factual or accurate.

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What scientist are you getting your info from? How is it that most world religions aknowledge the existence of Jesus, David, etc?

As for the flood, many scientist believe this is the cause for the rapid change in pangea. They also know that there was at one time, a giant flood all over the world.

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Okay, thunder, I'll bite. Show us the statements/links/articles by all those historians and scientists. They shouldn't be difficult to find, since you claim "all."

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Try this link as a starter. http://www.behindthebadge.net/apologetics/discuss169.html

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Quote from one person trying to defend the flood, "They all tell of a man and his family who were spared during a great flood that covered the whole land." He seems to forget all others were destroyed and killed by the flood. How did this man and his family survive or spared? A
contradiction, I suspect.

Edit: It seems logic is their weak point.

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Was there a Jesus. In all likelihood there was . However, the myths attached to him were just that myths.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

What scientist are you getting your info from? How is it that most world religions aknowledge the existence of Jesus, David, etc?

Is this what you mean by the "scriptures being historically accurate?"

Good grief...a Jackie Collins book has historically accurate information in it. But that doesn't make them non-fiction.

Yes...there was a Jeruselem...and a Rome...and there was a Tiberius.

But that does not verify the scriptures in any way.

Fact is...there is more in scriptures that seems inconsistent with historical fact (the slavery of the ancient Hebrews by the Egyptians seems to be very, very questionable)...that the other way around.

The best possible guess about the Bible is that it is a fanciful, self-serving, fictionalized history of sorts of the ancient Hebrews....intersperced with a gruesome mythology.

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As for the flood, many scientist believe this is the cause for the rapid change in pangea. They also know that there was at one time, a giant flood all over the world.

They do not know anything of the sort...and most reputable scientists would probably assert that a generalized flood of the entire planet is IMPOSSIBLE. There simply is not enough water on the planet.

C'mon.

We said it was going to be an intelligent discussion.

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As a matter of fact, recent discoveries in Cairo/Giza has proved that the builders of the pyramids were Egyptians from the artifacts found on the site - not Hebrews/Jews. Awe shucks, another false record in the bible.

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Ok, I dont normally take the christian stance, but it seems like they are being unfairly outgunned here.

Isaiah 40:22 - It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers...

The dead sea scrolls unearthed recently, and proven to be hundreds of years old, contained parts of the book of Isaiah. This scripture was amongst them. It was written at a time when everybody believed the earth to be flat. How then did Isaiah know the earth was a 'circle'?

There are prophecies pertaining to the destruction of Babylon and the coming of the Messiah (found in the books of Daniel/Ezekiel) that are also quite accurate. These are also accepted by scientists (I dont have time to be specific) to have been written well before the events they describe.

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Rancid, If a book pronounced hundreds of probable future events, some are likely to come true. It's a matter of probability. But the bible is supposed to be the literal word of god; in case it should have no errors or omissions. The biggest problem is the very fact that the bible does contain so many contradictions, it's not possible for any person to have the correct interpretation of it's message. Do not kill, oh, no, it's okay to kill. I don't know about you, but that's totally confusing to me.

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Rancid wrote:

Isaiah 40:22 - It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers...

The dead sea scrolls unearthed recently, and proven to be hundreds of years old, contained parts of the book of Isaiah. This scripture was amongst them. It was written at a time when everybody believed the earth to be flat. How then did Isaiah know the earth was a 'circle'?

A circle is a two dimensional shape completely in agreement with the idea of a flat earth. From any vantage point, if you look around the horizon appears to be a circle. Nothing unusual there. The earth is spherical.

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"Circle:" Darn another misinterpretation of forms by the religious folks.

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Wow, c.i., you're biting nasty. Smile

If you don't play nicely I may have to take away your toys. Then nobody will be happy.

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Think you might have scared everybody away there SCoates

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Authenticity of Bible

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thunder_runner32
It appears from the link you provided that you subscribe to a rather literal interpretation of the Bible. In that regard would you mind commenting as to the moral value of the barbarity expressed in the Old Testament such as the following verses.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

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.18 ¶ If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

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Of course, Mesquite. Oh, wait, were you saying that is bad?

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There aren't enough stones in these parts to kill anything. LOL

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SCoates, I was merely asking a question. Would you care to take a stab at it? As for myself, I think it is a bit of overkill.

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I was just joking.

Man, everyone is taking me so seriously today. Maybe I should include some smiley faces... Neutral

Oh... um... well, that was my first try, I'll get better.

:wink: There, I got one side up, but it's a real strain on my face.

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