Does Religion Have a Place in the Future of Humankind?

Eryemil wrote:

Frank dear, being agnostic is just not fun! Trust me I know...

I'm agnostic, but that doesn't mean I can't be a skeptic...

I have been a very active...agnostic advocate for many, many years, Erye...and I KNOW that agnosticism is a great deal of fun.

Ethically and intellectually...agnosticism is superior to theism and atheism.

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Actually, the theory of evolutionist origins is actually a matter of opinion. There is no real persuasive evidence for it.

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There are none as deaf as those who do not want to hear?

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Eryemil,
It was one of Frank's posts concerning slavery and Christianity that I Googled up, which first brought me to A2K. He has definitely had fun here and has just been on extra good behavior recently.

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Why do you guys care to try to sway us to your side. You believe in nothing. What's the point of trying to tell someone that your belief in...nothingness, is valid. It's pointless.

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I'd like to rephrase the question and ask does mankind have a future if religion influences everything we do?

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

Actually, the theory of evolutionist origins is actually a matter of opinion. There is no real persuasive evidence for it.

You misunderstand what opinions are. In this case either evolution did or did not happen, therefor it is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of true or false.

Truth is not a matter of opinion.

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Scoates, That's how the religious are able to skirt what science and evolution is all about. They continue to insist it's only "opinion" like all of their beliefs - except the bible.

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Yes, but when the truth is not known, whatever your best guess is....is a matter of opinion.

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mesquite wrote:

Eryemil,
It was one of Frank's posts concerning slavery and Christianity that I Googled up, which first brought me to A2K. He has definitely had fun here and has just been on extra good behavior recently.

Thanks for noticing, Mesq! :wink:

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

Yes, but when the truth is not known, whatever your best guess is....is a matter of opinion.

Yeah, Thunder....you are correct in that.

As far as it goes.

But you do not take it that one step further that is necessary for intelligent discussion in an area such as this.

Most of what you apparently consider "opinion" is really nothing more than guesswork...and you have the unfortunate habit of presenting your guesses as assertions.

You present them as though they are facts.

Bad habit.

Tough to break.

I wish you luck with that though.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

But you do not take it that one step further that is necessary for intelligent discussion in an area such as this.

Most of what you apparently consider "opinion" is really nothing more than guesswork...and you have the unfortunate habit of presenting your guesses as assertions.

You present them as though they are facts.

Bad habit.

Tough to break.

I wish you luck with that though.

It is also "matter of opinion" of what an intellegent discussion is. :wink:

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LOL I for one would love to see head v Frank on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire"

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headofthefield wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

But you do not take it that one step further that is necessary for intelligent discussion in an area such as this.

Most of what you apparently consider "opinion" is really nothing more than guesswork...and you have the unfortunate habit of presenting your guesses as assertions.

You present them as though they are facts.

Bad habit.

Tough to break.

I wish you luck with that though.

It is also "matter of opinion" of what an intellegent discussion is. :wink:

Cute!

But evasive.

Let's give this a try.

Here is a question:

Is there a God...or are there no gods?

My answer..an agnotic answer is: I do not know....and the evidence available to me is so ambiguous, I cannot even make a reasonable guess in either direction.

Let's hear your theistic answer.

We can discuss the differences...and the emphasis.

Then you and I can vote on whether or not we are having "an intelligent discussion."

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I agree that most of the available evidence is ambiguous, like I could say that God designed it, but an atheist would say that it happened through natural selection...who can tell? I think that you can't easily prove one true, but you can prove others false, through discoveries in DNA and of the world around us. I think a better way of phrasing origins of life is "the evidence points toward..."

As for my answer...I believe that the formula for life is incomplete without someone/something putting it all together. I don't think that there could be multiple Gods because that would be like trying to divide infinity. I believe in the validity of the scriptures (historically proven to be accurate) and I believe that we do have a purpose, I can't give 100% answer, but I think that if I follow Jesus' word, then I will be fulfilling that purpose.

I hope that was intelligent enough for your intelligent discussion. Wink

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Thunder wrote:-
"I agree that most of the available evidence is ambiguous..."

What????

You have evidence?

How did you come by it? Why is it not generally available? And you've decided most of it is ambiguous, but some isn't? You've obviously been doing a lot of homework.

Are you saying you have unambiguous evidence for the existence of God? That's quite a secret you've been hiding there Thunder, and I think you should explain.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

I agree that most of the available evidence is ambiguous, like I could say that God designed it,

I could say that hugh hefner created the universe. Making claims is easy.

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but an atheist would say that it happened through natural selection...

Uhhhh.... most people would say that it happened (or at least could have happened) through natural selection, people like... (random example here), the Pope. You'll find that outside of America and other extremely religious countries almost everyone is aware of natural selection and realises that the evidence strongly suggests it.

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who can tell?

Anyone who believes the issue is in doubt is ignoring the fact that the last few decades of biological advancement are built upon the foundation of evolution via natural selection and that its use has been validated by thousands of successful developments based upon its theories.

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I think a better way of phrasing origins of life is "the evidence points toward..."

The evidence gave up pointing a while ago and now gesticulates furiously toward evolution through natural selection.

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(historically proven to be accurate)

That's another topic... which for now I'm really not touching with a ten foot pole.

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I hope that was intelligent enough for your intelligent discussion.

By my standards, yes.

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

Thunder wrote:-
"I agree that most of the available evidence is ambiguous..."

For once if a christian says "you're taking it out of context" I will have absolutely no objection whatsoever.

Steve mate, you just severely took thunder's post out of context. He said that the available evidence ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF LIFE, are ambiguous. Not that there is evidence for God's existance ambiguous or otherwise. He probably believes that there is, but that didn't come from his post.

I think you might owe him an apology. I'm on your side of the argument here, but that post was leaping down thunder's throat without reason.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

I believe in the validity of the scriptures (historically proven to be accurate)...

Huh???

The scriptures have been historically proven to be accurate????

You gotta be kidding.

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... and I believe that we do have a purpose, I can't give 100% answer, but I think that if I follow Jesus' word, then I will be fulfilling that purpose.

I'm not interested in a 100% answer...I'm interested in an answer that involves something more than blind acceptance.

Any chance you have one of those?

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I hope that was intelligent enough for your intelligent discussion.

Well...I doubt it would rate a 10. But it wouldn't be a 1 or a 2 either.

It is a start...shaky, but a start.

Let's see where it goes after you respond to this post.

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Frank, b/c you are agnostic, it probably is hard for you to believe in something. But b/c thunder believes firmly in something, you don't always have to refer to his statements as "blind." Oh and yeah it is historically accurate b/c every historian believes that there have been: Jesus, David, the great flood, and the crossing of the Red Sea.

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