Call it what you will but there has been a system in place which has changed our rights of privacy and other related issues of which a blanket of "security" is used to justify it.
Quote:Top Ten Abuses of Power Since 9/11
1. Warrantless Wiretapping
2. Torture, Kidnapping and Detention
3. The Growing Surveillance Society
4. Abuse of the Patriot Act
5. Government Secrecy
6. Real ID
7. No Fly and Selectee Lists
8. Political Spying
9. Abuse of Material Witness Statute
10. Attacks on Academic Freedom
Details in each along with links can be found at the source
I realize in advance that you probably are derisive of ACLU; however reducing voicing concerns to "whinning" does not do justice to the whole civil right movement up to this date which could not have been won without first someone doing some whinning about it. It is when we become apathetic that injustice is allowed to prevail. Not all of their concerns are so important; but these are and most in the past have been as well.
And lest any lame remarks like "yea; but we didn't use any of that on our own citizens get leveled, the above debunks that plus this one for good measure.
The Patriot Act: Targeting American Citizens
Lastly I am not fatalistic; I am always hopeful these things will roll back with a new administration.
revel wrote:Call it what you will but there has been a system in place which has changed our rights of privacy and other related issues of which a blanket of "security" is used to justify it.
Quote:Top Ten Abuses of Power Since 9/11
1. Warrantless Wiretapping
2. Torture, Kidnapping and Detention
3. The Growing Surveillance Society
4. Abuse of the Patriot Act
5. Government Secrecy
6. Real ID
7. No Fly and Selectee Lists
8. Political Spying
9. Abuse of Material Witness Statute
10. Attacks on Academic Freedom
Details in each along with links can be found at the source
I realize in advance that you probably are derisive of ACLU; however reducing voicing concerns to "whinning" does not do justice to the whole civil right movement up to this date which could not have been won without first someone doing some whinning about it. It is when we become apathetic that injustice is allowed to prevail. Not all of their concerns are so important; but these are and most in the past have been as well.
And lest any lame remarks like "yea; but we didn't use any of that on our own citizens get leveled, the above debunks that plus this one for good measure.
The Patriot Act: Targeting American Citizens
Lastly I am not fatalistic; I am always hopeful these things will roll back with a new administration.
What a pile of BS you list is.
Show me a US citizen tortered, kidnapped and detained.
Quote:The Bush Administration's Torture of U.S. Citizen Jose Padilla
source
Govt secracy? How is that a violation of our rights?
The government is not a dictatorship but a government elected by the people to represent the people if they keep secret what they are doing then they are not reprensenting the people. Duh.
Growing Surval. Society? How does that violate our rights?
Quote:Bill of Rights
... 345 The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment declares ampquotnor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, property without due process of law ...
Real ID? When did that become law?
Quote:The REAL ID Act of 2005 is U.S. federal law which imposes certain security, authentication and issuance procedures standards for the state driver's licenses and state ID cards, in order for them to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes", as defined by the Secretary of Homeland Security. Currently, the Secretary of Homeland Security has defined "official purposes" as presenting state driver's licenses and id cards for boarding commercially operated airline flights, entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants. The Act is a rider to an act of the United States Congress titled Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act
No Fly List? and that is a bad thing because??????
Because it picks out people based on profilling often time on information so flimsy it would be laughable if were not so serious.
Quote:The No-Fly list was established to keep track of people the government prohibits from traveling because they have been labeled as security risks. Since 9/11 the number of similar watch lists has mushroomed to about 720,000 names, all with mysterious or ill-defined criteria for how names are placed on the lists, and with little recourse for innocent travelers seeking to be taken off them. These lists name an estimated 30,000 to 50,000 people. The lists are so erroneous several members of Congress, including Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA), have been flagged.
Political Spying? Yea, that's a new one!
Like that airless statement makes it any better even if you could prove it? In any case; since 9/11 there has been a hike in spying on policial groups.
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surveilling a group of honorably discharged veterans. Our
patriotism and love of country is as strong today [as]
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