@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You continue to peddle the standard fare from career diplomats and foreign policy media hacks.
If I want my teeth worked on, I go to an experienced dentist. If I want to conduct diplomacy, I look to experienced diplomats.
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
All of the standard diplomatic operating procedures have been followed in the past with North Korea (and for that matter the Palestinians) and what have been the results?
Well, there was the
Agreed Framework that was working decently well until Bush made his Axis of Evil speech and blew it up. (Of course, there is some debate there with parties saying N. Korea was not honoring it, but the reality is that it all went down the drain pretty fast after Bush ignored his diplomats and went with his speech writers.)
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I hold very little hope for any talks, and I'm not at all certain that they will even take place, but the only way anything positive can come from them is if Kim thinks Trump is wild enough to start a war that will hurt us and our allies in the region much more but will destroy him and his dynasty.
I doubt Kim thinks that way, but I think there is an opportunity here. On the Trump side, a major deal with N. Korea would make Trump a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize. Yes, it really would. My guess is Trump would value that greatly. Also just like it "took Nixon to go to China", it will likely take Trump to go to N. Korea. If Trump were to make the exact same deal that Obama would have made, the reception in Congress will be completely different. Those favoring a military solution may be dismayed, but they won't rise up like they did over Obama's Iran deal. The same dynamic came into play with Reagan and the USSR. Conservatives were skeptical, but they weren't going to lay down in the road. On the Kim side, he has what he wants. N. Korea is a nuclear power with demonstrated ICBM capability. That puts them is a pretty exclusive club. Israel, India and Pakistan haven't demonstrated ICBM capability. They are in a much better place to negotiate as an equal with S. Korea and the US. S. Korea is also in a reconciliation mode. You can make a parallel with Germany in that Korea is one country, artificially separated.
If Trump goes in big, trying to negotiate a full settlement to the Korean War, he might win big. By full settlement, I mean acceptance of N. Korea as a nuclear power, normalization of relations between the Koreas, removal of the DMZ, removal of US troops from S. Korea, removal of N. Korean troops and artillery from the border, no support for terrorist organizations from the North, easing of sanctions upon verification of terms, he could do something. If his point is "you must denuclearize before we discuss anything further", nothing is going to happen.