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LOST Treaty Comes Back

 
 
Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 02:09 pm
Remember a little thing called the Boston Tea Party, leading up to the Revolutionary War? It happened because Americans have never taken kindly to taxation without representation -- or to having our sovereignty stolen by foreign powers.

Well, the United Nations is at it again -- and this time, they may actually succeed in imposing TAXES directly on the American people!

This outrageous treaty must NOT be ratified!

U.S. adherence to this treaty would entail history's biggest and most unwarranted voluntary transfer of wealth AND surrender of sovereignty. LOST, which was a product of the Left/Soviet/non-aligned movement agenda of the 1960s and 1970s, created the International Seabed Authority (ISA). ISA is a new supranational organization with unprecedented powers:

The power to regulate seven-tenths of the world's surface area;
The power to levy international taxes;
The power to impose production quotas (for deep-sea mining, oil production, etc.);
The power to regulate ocean research and exploration;
The power to create a multinational court system to render and enforce its judgments!

LOST was drafted BEFORE -- and without regard to -- the War on Terror, and what the United States must to to wage that war successfully. As a result, U.S. national security interests will be severely undermined by several of the Treaty's provisions:

The sorts of at-sea interdiction efforts central to President Bush's new "Proliferation Security Initiative" (PSI) would be prohibited. Communist China has already been citing the Treaty to object to PSI maritime interdiction and boarding of vessels suspected of weapons of mass destruction or terrorism ties;
The treaty effectively prohibits two functions vital to American security: intelligence-collection in, and submerged transit of, territorial waters;
Mandatory information-sharing will afford U.S. enemies data that could be used to facilitate attacks on this country (for example, detailed imagery of underwater access routes and off-shore hiding places);
Obligatory technology transfers will equip actual or potential adversaries with sensitive and militarily useful equipment and know-how (such as anti-submarine warfare technology).

The Treaty fails to address, let alone offer solutions to, the most dangerous flashpoints for military conflict facing the world. In fact, Communist China is using its own "unique" interpretation of this Treaty to justify its assertion of control over the strategic South China Sea!

LOST is a prime example of the way left-wing Democrats would like the world to be ordered and run. It is NOT consistent with conservative Republican governing principles and values -- or, more importantly, this country's VITAL INTERESTS.

President Reagan first REJECTED the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST) in 1982. The U.S. Senate is now being asked to consent to ratification of exactly the same treaty Mr. Reagan found unacceptable!

LOST was a bad idea then; it is an INTOLERABLE one now. The Senate must NOT allow it to become binding on the United States.

Patriotic Americans across the country need to take action IMMEDIATELY. The Senate leadership must be warned that quick action on LOST will further alienate a conservative base that is ALREADY upset about recent GOP immigration and spending policy errors.

Progress on President Bush's priority agenda items (social security, tax reduction, spending restraint, etc.) will be in danger of failing if the Republicans become bitterly divided over a non-essential issue like LOST. Republican Senators must be contacted IMMEDIATELY and urged to oppose LOST -- or at least not to commit to its ratification until hearings have been held to lay out the case for rejecting this anti-American treaty.

Here's a old News Report of the last time it tried to get passed.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 06:49 pm
The US has a habit of not paying attention to the UN, whether it's in our interests or not. I suspect the same will hold true here.
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bayinghound
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 10:00 pm
Interesting report, but do you have a link to the actual language of this treaty?

There is no way in hell the U.S. Government will sign into law a treaty granting another organization the right to tax Americans. But I'd love to see the provision.
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ConstitutionalGirl
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 10:26 am
bayinghound wrote:
Interesting report, but do you have a link to the actual language of this treaty?

There is no way in hell the U.S. Government will sign into law a treaty granting another organization the right to tax Americans. But I'd love to see the provision.
In my starting of this thread, there are green words, "News Report," you click on that, a site will appear with a News Report, this has links to Official Articles. You may also want to try Senate.gov.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 10:43 am
Three quick points.

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... having our sovereignty stolen by foreign powers

The United States is not the nation facing this threat right now.

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Patriotic Americans across the country need to take action IMMEDIATELY.

Patriotic Americans are very busy right now between reviving an anti-war movement, fighting for the end of detention camps in Guantanamo, defending the rights of immigrants and trying to win the right of marriage.

Compared to these important issues, we patriotic Americans don't consider this very important.

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...if the Republicans become bitterly divided over a non-essential issue like LOST. Republican Senators must be contacted IMMEDIATELY and urged to oppose LOST


This doesn't make any sense.

If this is a "non-essential" issue... and if you don't want Republicans to become bitterly divided, why would you urge the to oppose it? It seems like you should talk to your Senators about the essential issues.

That's what I am doing.
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bayinghound
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 06:19 pm
ConstitutionalGirl wrote:
In my starting of this thread, there are green words, "News Report," you click on that, a site will appear with a News Report, this has links to Official Articles. You may also want to try Senate.gov.


Well, I did click on that, and, further, clicked on some of the links in that very article. However, there is a current law of the sea and, according to your ... not so indifferent source ... there is a new treaty that the Administration wants passed that grants foreign entities the right to tax Americans.

Now, I could go to Thomas at the LOC and look around, but, frankly, I don't believe it & don't want to spend tons of time looking for this ... your article doesn't even give a bill number.

But, should you have the provision or a link to the language handy, I'd love to see it.
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ConstitutionalGirl
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2005 11:33 am
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ebrown_p wrote:
Three quick points.

Patriotic Americans are very busy right now between reviving an anti-war movement, fighting for the end of detention camps in Guantanamo, defending the rights of immigrants and trying to win the right of marriage.
Why should the anti-war movement be revived? What American's want those camps to end and why? You mean the Right for Minister's to deny Homosexual Marriage?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2005 12:19 pm
BTW I want to say I love your anti-war avatar. It is much better than mine.

1) The anti-war movement should be revived to ensure that US troops get out of Iraq and stop meddling in the affairs of other sovereign nations. If Bush accepts the results of the democratic elections he took credit for (they actually were the brainchild of Sistani) than I think we will all be happy.

2) Patriotic Americans want the camps to end because they go against every ideal that America stands for. America stands for liberty, which our most sacred documents say is endowed to each person by their creator. Locking people up without charge or trial for years is very unpatriotic indeed..

Patriotic Americans have noted that "those who sacrifice liberty to gain security deserve neither liberty or security".

3) Couples who are in love should have the liberty to marry. Ministers should have the liberty to refuse to marry couples for what ever reasons. A couple can find a minister or justice that will marry them.

Liberty and Justice for all. What can be more patriotic than that.
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bayinghound
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2005 12:27 pm
Totally OT, but:

Holy Sonnets X

Death be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadfull, for, thou art not soe,
For, those, whom thou think'st, thou dost overthrow,
Die not, poore death, nor yet canst thou kill mee.
From rest and sleepe, which but thy pictures bee,
Much pleasure, then from thee, much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee doe goe,
Rest of their bones, and soules deliverie.
Thou art slave to Fate, Chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poyson, warre, and sicknesse dwell,
And poppie, or charmes can make us sleepe as well,
And better than thy stroake; why swell'st thou then?
One short sleepe past, wee wake eternally,
And death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.

~John Donne

Indonesia, by the way, is a democracy.
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ConstitutionalGirl
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2005 12:55 pm
bayinghound wrote:
ConstitutionalGirl wrote:
In my starting of this thread, there are green words, "News Report," you click on that, a site will appear with a News Report, this has links to Official Articles. You may also want to try Senate.gov.


Well, I did click on that, and, further, clicked on some of the links in that very article. However, there is a current law of the sea and, according to your ... not so indifferent source ... there is a new treaty that the Administration wants passed that grants foreign entities the right to tax Americans.

Now, I could go to Thomas at the LOC and look around, but, frankly, I don't believe it & don't want to spend tons of time looking for this ... your article doesn't even give a bill number.

But, should you have the provision or a link to the language handy, I'd love to see it.

Article 2(4)
THE SAFETY OF LIFE AT SEA AND LOAD LINE CONVENTIONS Treaty
AMENDMENTS TO THE INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION ON LOAD LINES
INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION FOR THE SAFETY OF LIFE AT SEA Treaty
North Atlantic Treaty of 1949
AGREEMENT FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION OF THE LAW OF THE SEA
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea Treaty
Ex. N, 86th Congress, 1st Session
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bayinghound
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2005 01:42 pm
Great, thanks, this will be interesting.
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ConstitutionalGirl
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2005 02:36 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
BTW I want to say I love your anti-war avatar. It is much better than mine.

1) The anti-war movement should be revived to ensure that US troops get out of Iraq and stop meddling in the affairs of other sovereign nations. If Bush accepts the results of the democratic elections he took credit for (they actually were the brainchild of Sistani) than I think we will all be happy.

2) Patriotic Americans want the camps to end because they go against every ideal that America stands for. America stands for liberty, which our most sacred documents say is endowed to each person by their creator. Locking people up without charge or trial for years is very unpatriotic indeed..

Patriotic Americans have noted that "those who sacrifice liberty to gain security deserve neither liberty or security".

3) Couples who are in love should have the liberty to marry. Ministers should have the liberty to refuse to marry couples for what ever reasons. A couple can find a minister or justice that will marry them.

Liberty and Justice for all. What can be more patriotic than that.
Includding Terrorist? That's what those camps are for, to protect us from Terrorist, who all have plans to harm us.
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ConstitutionalGirl
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2005 02:50 pm
bayinghound wrote:
Totally OT, but:

Holy Sonnets X

Death be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadfull, for, thou art not soe,
For, those, whom thou think'st, thou dost overthrow,
Die not, poore death, nor yet canst thou kill mee.
From rest and sleepe, which but thy pictures bee,
Much pleasure, then from thee, much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee doe goe,
Rest of their bones, and soules deliverie.
Thou art slave to Fate, Chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poyson, warre, and sicknesse dwell,
And poppie, or charmes can make us sleepe as well,
And better than thy stroake; why swell'st thou then?
One short sleepe past, wee wake eternally,
And death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.

~John Donne

Indonesia, by the way, is a democracy.
"Good Poem!"
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2005 03:53 pm
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Includding Terrorist? That's what those camps are for, to protect us from Terrorist, who all have plans to harm us.


I am not willing give up the most sacred values of America, namely liberty and justice, for fear.

If the people in the camps are terrorists, give them a fair and open trial. That is the American way. Keeping people in captivity without a trial is not acceptable to patriotic Americans.

Liberty and courage have always gone together.
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bayinghound
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2005 04:33 pm
I took a look at Treaty Number 103-39 ... the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, with Annexes, and the Agreement Relating to the Implementation of Part XI of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, reported favorably on by Sen. Lugar and the Foreign Affairs Committee on February 25, 2004, and could not find any provision by which the United States would grant any foreign authority the right to tax our citizens.

The provision you provide your first link to was the Endangered Species Act.

I am afraid the other links you provide are to expired search reports at LOC.

Perhaps you could give me the section number of the provision to which you object?
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