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Transcript of the State of the Union Address

 
 
Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 07:12 am
Here is a transcript of the State of the Union Address:

http://www.earnedmedia.org/wh0202.htm

I think that it would be helpful to have exact quotes at our disposal, so that we can respond to exactly what was said, and not rely on media interpretations.

What did you think of it? Did the President get his message across to the people? What do you agree with? Disagree? If there are points of disagreement, how would YOU handle a particular situation?

Please quote the portions of the speech to which you are referring, and make your comments. Thanks!
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 11:31 am
Thanks Phoenix.

I like this excerpt:

"America's immigration system is also outdated -- unsuited to the needs of our economy and to the values of our country. We should not be content with laws that punish hardworking people who want only to provide for their families, and deny businesses willing workers, and invite chaos at our border. It is time for an immigration policy that permits temporary guest workers to fill jobs Americans will not take, that rejects amnesty, that tells us who is entering and leaving our country, and that closes the border to drug dealers and terrorists. (Applause.)"
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 11:55 am
fbaezer - Temporary guest workers would be a good idea, IMO, if it were appropriately regulated, and the individuals checked carefully. I think that because of the threat of terrorism, the U.S. needs to know just who is coming into the country.

I live in tomato and strawberry country, so there are lot of illegal migrant workers from Mexico here. They perform a useful service in the US. It would be really nice if they acquired some kind of legal status.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 02:06 pm
Quote:
I will work with Congress to ensure that human embryos are not created for experimentation or grown for body parts, and that human life is never bought and sold as a commodity.


I would sure hate to see American lives used in vain as a commodity in order to further some political, social, or economic ideal.
That would truly be shameless....
*cough*
*cough*
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 02:40 pm
Gotta love the Bush propaganda machine.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/3/61911/26777


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(From the diaries -- kos. This cursory investigation demands a deeper look into Ms. Sofia Taleb Al Souhail. Held up as a shining example of why we've spent $200 billion and wasted 1,500 lives and counting, it looks upon first glance that she doesn't live in Iraq, has been affiliated with right-wing organizations, her father was killed in Lebanon while planning a coup against Saddam, and her family claims the US was complicit in his assassination.)
I am always interested in finding out who the people are that are chosen to sit with in the "good seats" at the State of The Union.

Especially after last year, when Chalabi was sitting in the seat. You often wonder who these people are.

So as I'm watching the woman hold up a shaky "peace" sign, finger stained in purple, you are wonder. "Did they fly her in? Wow, that's some crazy symbolism."

So I decided to look around.

Diaries :: mikel1814's diary ::

Here's what Bush said.

"Eleven years ago, Safia's father was assassinated by Saddam's intelligence service. Three days ago in Baghdad, Safia was finally able to vote for the leaders of her country -- and we are honored that she is with us tonight."

Her name is Safia Taleb Al Souhail.

She works for the "International Alliance For Justice," which no longer has a website that is functioning. [ www.i-a-j.org. ] I tried to do a google search for the site and found a cached version of another one, www.a-i-j.org, which is down now as well and looks like it's been taken over by a defunct porn website. As for www.i-a-j.org, its now a rather generic "antispyware" website.

Beats me. I have my theories about all of these freedom and justice and happy iraqi websites that are oh so slick and oh so American, but I can't draw any conclusions because I have no background in doing so.

I was struck by the line "three days ago in Baghdad, Safia was finally able to vote..."

I did a search and found that she published an article in December of 2003 for the group "Foundation For the Defence of Democracies."
[www.defenddemocracy.org]

They seem pretty reasonable when you look at their mission statement on the website.

The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD) is a non-partisan, non-profit policy institute dedicated to:


Finding the most effective ways to defeat terrorism--and the totalitarian ideologies used to incite and justify terrorism.

Employing strategic communications, education and research to fight terrorism across national, ethnic and religious lines.

Promoting freedom and basic human rights for all peoples.

So, then I went to see who they are, being non-partisan and all. Board of Directors?
Steve Forbes.
Jack Kemp.
Jeanne Kirkpatrick.

OK, so far not so balanced.

Distinguished Advisors?
Newt Gingrich.
R. James Woolsey.

OK, yikes. Still a bit off kilter.

Board of Advisors?
Gary Bauer.
Charles Karuthammer, (yes the columnist)
Bill Kristol.
Zell Miller.
Richard Perle.

wow. OK and then finally we see who represents the other side on that board.

Donna Brazille. (?)
Frank Lautenberg.
Chuck Schumer.

All very interesting, strange, but leading me away from my original question. Who is Safia Taleb Al Souhail?

Well I read her piece published under the banner of this group here. It was written in January of 2003. Just before we headed off to war. I think it's important to remember the mood of the time, and the debates we were having.

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/usr_doc/Ongoing_War.pdf

The first paragraph is what got me.

"As we watch UN inspectors search Iraq for weapons of mass destruction, I ask, why are there no UN inspectors investigating Saddam Hussein's crimes against the Iraqi people? Along with hidden caches of biological and chemical weapons, Iraw also has hidden tourture chambers, prisons, and maass graves."

Sound familiar? Does to me. Not only does he have lots of weapons that he's hiding, the United Nations is a worthless organization that isn't holding Sadaam accountable. Hmmm...

The article goes on to explain how bad Sadaam was for women, which we all know his brutality was second to none. But what struck me again was that she left the country in 1968. She returned to the country at some point recently. I found an article about her return to Iraq. to hold a Iraqi women's conference in Baghdad in July "facilitated by the coalition provisional authority." It seems she was in a group of people that had "returned" to Iraq with the "facitity" of the CPA. This was at another pastel colored, sleek website called "womenforiraq.org"

But here it is again, you click to read more about the conference in Baghdad...and you go to another blank page that says "Hopefully /article928.php at www.i-a-j.org will be up again soon. - 1254726158" And you click the "home" button and you're right back at that anti-spyware site. All of these groups are strangely connected to each other, and this one is now defunct.

But back to the article.

Her father was killed in 94. But although Bush said in the SOTU her father "was killed by Sadaam's Intelligence service," it's not quite the way you think it is. Her father was the leader of a tribe, but was killed in his exile home in Lebannon. How long was he in Lebbanon? Doesn't say, but the rest of the family was living in Jordan for nearly 30 years. It is not clear where Safia lived, but by this point, I'm sleepy and can hunt no more.


**** [UPDATED: I don't know how to do the fun editorial update but here it is. I found some new information, the plot seems to thicken.


http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1379


US Secretly Helped Saddam
Al Bawaba - December 20, 2003


The daughter of a prominent Iraqi opposition leader, who was assassinated in Beirut by Saddam Hussein's secret service in 1994 said she would sue the ousted Iraqi president before three international courts, charging that the U.S. was a virtual accomplice in her father's murder.

Nora al Tamimi, daughter of slain Iraqi opposition activist Taleb al Suhail al Tamimi, said from Beirut in a newspaper interview published Saturday that her father had planned a coup d'etat to overthrow Saddam in 1993, operating from Beirut and Amman.

"Zero hour was set for a certain June day in 1993 to stage the coup when Saddam would have been sponsoring an official event in Baghdad," Nora told the London-based Asharq Al Awsat newspaper in an interview conducted at the family house in Beirut.

"But the Americans, who did not want the coup to succeed possibly because they were certain my father would not go along with their polices, tipped off Saddam about the impending putsch by my father and gave the names of his top aides," Nora said. "All of them died in Saddam's torture chambers."

Sheik Taleb Al Tamimi, who led a million-member Central Iraqi tribe called the Bani Tamim, was shot dead April 12, 1994 at his apartment in Beirut's Ein El Tineh district in an assassination officially blamed by the Lebanese authorities on four Iraqi embassy diplomats, who were detained and then released on the grounds they enjoyed diplomatic immunity, Nora recalled.

Saddam has severed Baghdad's diplomatic ties with Beirut upon the detention of the four.

Nora said she plans to sue Saddam at the United Nations, before the International Court of Justice at The Hague and before the world organization of human rights.

Nora said her sister Saffia, 38, a human rights activist, has already returned to Iraq and is currently making the needed arrangements in Baghdad to recover the family's bank accounts and property, which were confiscated by Saddam in 1968, when her father fled Iraq.

She said the family would return to Iraq soon with the remains of her father for reburial in his native country.

The names are slightly different, but theses are obviously the same people.
Summary? The Safia's sister blames the United States for not protecting her father and telling Sadaam about a pending coup attempt because they didn't trust Safia's father.

Is the prominent position within current policy a payback to cover some behinds? Perhaps Bill Hemmer wasn't far off when he said "she will soon be the Mayor of Baghdad."
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 05:08 pm
Cyclo - Very interesting. Thanks for saving me the time of researching her.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 05:44 pm
BM
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El-Diablo
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 07:36 pm
Quote:
I would sure hate to see American lives used in vain as a commodity in order to further some political, social, or economic ideal.
That would truly be shameless....
*cough*
*cough*


While I agree that Iraq has uselessly wasted American lives the soldiers are not being bought and sold. He was referring to embryos and in a very very vague sense to slavery lol.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 07:53 pm
El-Diablo wrote:
Quote:
I would sure hate to see American lives used in vain as a commodity in order to further some political, social, or economic ideal.
That would truly be shameless....
*cough*
*cough*


While I agree that Iraq has uselessly wasted American lives the soldiers are not being bought and sold. He was referring to embryos and in a very very vague sense to slavery lol.


Whew.
I'd hate to think that America lives were being bought and sold.


...at least they're only being uselessly wasted.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 12:58 am
candidone1 wrote:
El-Diablo wrote:
Quote:
I would sure hate to see American lives used in vain as a commodity in order to further some political, social, or economic ideal.
That would truly be shameless....
*cough*
*cough*


While I agree that Iraq has uselessly wasted American lives the soldiers are not being bought and sold. He was referring to embryos and in a very very vague sense to slavery lol.


Whew.
I'd hate to think that America lives were being bought and sold.


...at least they're only being uselessly wasted.

What you should really hate to think about are the

hundreds of thousand or millions

who might die were a WMD to be successfully smuggled into the US and used against us.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 08:38 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
candidone1 wrote:
El-Diablo wrote:
Quote:
I would sure hate to see American lives used in vain as a commodity in order to further some political, social, or economic ideal.
That would truly be shameless....
*cough*
*cough*


While I agree that Iraq has uselessly wasted American lives the soldiers are not being bought and sold. He was referring to embryos and in a very very vague sense to slavery lol.


Whew.
I'd hate to think that America lives were being bought and sold.


...at least they're only being uselessly wasted.

What you should really hate to think about are the

hundreds of thousand or millions

who might die were a WMD to be successfully smuggled into the US and used against us.

This tired old canard.

WMD may someday be used in the US. I doubt they will be coming from a country under UN sanctions w/ weapons inspectors running around.

Fear may sell, but eventually folks are going to get tired of being scared.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 11:21 am
The inspectors were kicked out in 1998... so your "tired old canard" is fatally flawed.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 11:34 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
candidone1 wrote:
El-Diablo wrote:
Quote:
I would sure hate to see American lives used in vain as a commodity in order to further some political, social, or economic ideal.
That would truly be shameless....
*cough*
*cough*


While I agree that Iraq has uselessly wasted American lives the soldiers are not being bought and sold. He was referring to embryos and in a very very vague sense to slavery lol.


Whew.
I'd hate to think that America lives were being bought and sold.


...at least they're only being uselessly wasted.


What you should really hate to think about are the hundreds of thousand or millions who might die were a WMD to be successfully smuggled into the US and used against us.


You mean the Iraqi WMD?
The very same WMD that were never found?
...or the ones the current administration has completely abandoned the search for.
Be afraid Brandon....be very afraid.
If these WMD did exist, and if they posed such a serious threat to American security, then your fun lovin', gun slingin', good 'ol boy from texas figgers they just ain't werth lookin' fer, and the threat just ain't there.
...If they existed (a belief you apparently still cling to) they're still out there, with the same potential to be smuggled in to the US, with the same potential to kill the same numbers of people.

What's your point?
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 12:03 pm
“…Because marriage is a sacred institution and the foundation of society, it should not be re-defined by activist judges. For the good of families, children, and society, I support a constitutional amendment to protect the institution of marriage….”

This doesn’t make sense to me. In the first sentence President Bush does not want to re-define something, but yet in the second sentence he is willing to make a change to the constitution? And the judges are not re-defining something marriage, they are trying to clarify what is written in the constitution.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 12:21 pm
Linkat wrote:
"…Because marriage is a sacred institution and the foundation of society, it should not be re-defined by activist judges. For the good of families, children, and society, I support a constitutional amendment to protect the institution of marriage…."

This doesn't make sense to me. In the first sentence President Bush does not want to re-define something, but yet in the second sentence he is willing to make a change to the constitution? And the judges are not re-defining something marriage, they are trying to clarify what is written in the constitution.


He does not want something as significant and weighty as the definition of marriage being re-defined by activist judges. So I can see the fuzzy-logic behind his wishes to not only interpret this itsy-bitsy thing we call the constitution through his lens, but to also define what it's scope is.
Judges can't interpret the constitution, but he can re-write it.
OK.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 04:51 pm
Quote:
To make our economy stronger and more competitive, America must reward, not punish, the efforts and dreams of entrepreneurs. Small business is the path of advancement, especially for women and minorities, so we must free small businesses from needless regulation and protect honest job-creators from junk lawsuits. (Applause.) Justice is distorted, and our economy is held back by irresponsible class-actions and frivolous asbestos claims -- and I urge Congress to pass legal reforms this year. (Applause.)



Loved the **** eatin' grin on Cheney's face during that one. Haliburton is finding they may have to pay out more than expected.

But, what the heck does helping women and minority entrpreneurs have to do with asbestos claims???
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