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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2020 08:04 am
@oralloy,
First thing, no environmentalist, no climatologist, no scientist has ever said "the world will end in 12 years". Secondly, over the ages, warnings about the end of the world have come from religious prophets, not scientists. There's even a branch of theology dedicated to the study of the "end times". So the caption should have been, "Wow! An ancient eschatologist."

This is not "the end of the world":
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.V-BcbBKtyX2qATngNRBg9AHaEa%26pid%3DApi&f=1

However, this might be:
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F9b%2Fc0%2F72%2F9bc07282eeee5675ec965d6dd9670591.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Adios!
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.oV7Yff7kqPRHbbgV335EEQHaEN%26pid%3DApi&f=1
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2020 08:15 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
no environmentalist, no climatologist, no scientist has ever said "the world will end in 12 years".

I concur.

However:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/22/ocasio-cortez-climate-change-alarm/2642481002/
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/426353-ocasio-cortez-the-world-will-end-in-12-years-if-we-dont-address
https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-climate-change-world-will-end-12-years-un-report-1300873
https://cdn.creators.com/210/245332/245332_image.jpg
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2020 08:59 am
@oralloy,
Ocasio-Cortez was not making a prediction. The congresswoman was referring to a study which said the world community had twelve years to address carbon pollution before the situation became irreversible. This is what she said:

Quote:
Millennials, and Gen z, and all these folks that come after us, are looking up and we're like 'the world will end in 12 years if we don't address climate change, and your biggest issue is how are we gonna pay for it?'




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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2020 06:03 am
For a new study, published in the journal "Science", researchers have compiled the climate history of the past 66 million years. For this purpose, the team led by Thomas Westerhold from the Centre for Marine Environmental Sciences (Marum) at the University of Bremen and Norbert Marwan from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) analysed ocean sediments. The results show how unprecedented the current global warming is.

The scientists drilled samples from the seabed of various oceans from a research vessel. They were particularly interested in the fossil shells of so-called foraminifers - tiny organisms living on the sea floor - which are embedded in the sediments. They then analysed their oxygen and carbon isotopes. These allow conclusions to be drawn about deep-sea temperatures, ice volume and carbon concentrations in the atmosphere at the time.

The resulting climate reference curve goes back to the mass extinction of 66 million years ago at the end of the Cretaceous period, which killed dinosaurs, among others. This was the beginning of the Cenozoic era, which continues to this day.

The two dozen or so researchers from six countries derive four basic climatic states from the climate curve: they call them
• Hothouse
• Warmhouse
• Coolhouse
• and Icehouse

Science: An astronomically dated record of Earth’s climate and its predictability over the last 66 million years

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2020 10:45 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
A certain president who says the coronavirus would go away now makes the same prediction about global warming.

"It’ll start getting cooler. You just - you just watch."

But, according to him, science doesn't know it.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2020 11:34 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Did he offer a timeline?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2020 10:15 am
https://cdn.creators.com/1054/285184/285184_image.jpg
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2020 12:06 pm
@oralloy,
Bullshit
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2020 01:37 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Bullshit


Well said!
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2020 02:37 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Socialist-style rolling blackouts are a product of leftist leadership.

Venezuela didn't get that way under a rightwing government.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2020 04:43 pm
Well, yes they did - starting with Ronald Reagan.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2020 06:06 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
That is incorrect. Venezuela's plight is due entirely to leftist government, and Ronald Reagan had nothing to do with it.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2020 03:50 pm
@oralloy,



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As wildfires rage, climate experts warn: The future we were worried about is here
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NBC News logoAs wildfires rage, climate experts warn: The future we were worried about is here

As a forest ecologist who has been studying the links between wildfires and climate change since the early 1990s, Susan Prichard is well aware that global warming is contributing to longer and more intense fire seasons around the world.

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Yet, nothing could have prepared her for the past 12 months.

As 2020 began, record-breaking wildfires had already engulfed regions of Australia, eventually scorching more than 65,000 square miles — an area that, when taken together, is larger than the state of Illinois. Then came the fires that swept across Siberia in July, fueled by an intense Arctic heat wave. And then things hit much closer to home for Prichard.

Over the past month, dozens of catastrophic wildfires have been raging along a huge swath of the western United States, including in Prichard’s home state of Washington. Millions of acres have already burned across California, Oregon and Washington, and at least 36 deaths have been linked to the blazes.


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“What strikes me is that the future we were really worried about and that us climate scientists talked about for decades, we’re living through that now,” Prichard, a research scientist at the University of Washington, said.

Experts predict that in a warming world, devastating wildfires like the ones burning now will be even more common. Studies have shown that in addition to becoming more frequent, climate change will likely make such blazes more destructive, which carries enormous environmental, financial and health consequences for communities most at risk.

And in some countries, including the United States, supercharged wildfire seasons could be exacerbated by climate-related disasters elsewhere in the country, such as hurricanes or other extreme weather events, that culminate in multiple colliding crises that threaten the stability of various communities.

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“Individual things like a bad hurricane season, bad flooding or bad wildfires are not that surprising because literally every climate scientist predicted these things would happen,” said Sarah Perkins-Kirkpatrick, a senior research associate at the Climate Change Research Centre at the University of New South Wales in Australia. “But seeing all these things happen in one year — in some cases, simultaneously — is shocking and does make me worried about what the next 10 years are going to look like.”

Though they occurred thousands of miles apart, on different continents and different terrains, there are some similarities between the wildfires in Australia and those in the western U.S., according to Mike Flannigan, director of the Western Partnership for Wildland Fire Science at the University of Alberta in Canada.

In both places, the fire seasons started earlier than normal amid persistent drought conditions, he said. Lightning also played a key role in igniting fires in Australia and in California, in particular.

But no matter where they occur, wildfires need two main ingredients to sustain themselves: conducive fire weather — dry conditions together with lightning and wind, for instance — and “fuel,” which in this case refers to dead trees, dried-out leaves and any other material that can burn up.

Seasonal wildfires occur naturally around the world, but as temperatures rise due to global warming, the atmosphere can more efficiently pull moisture out of leaves, pine needles and the forest floor, Flannigan said. Without precipitation to compensate, this can create ideal conditions for a wildfire.

“It makes it easier for fires to start, whether from a lightning bolt or somebody’s campfire,” Flannigan said. “It also becomes easier for fires to spread because there’s more fuel to burn, which means we can get these higher intensity fires that are difficult or nearly impossible to put out.”

a sunset over a body of water: Image: (Jonathan Hayward / The Canadian Press via AP)© Jonathan Hayward Image: (Jonathan Hayward / The Canadian Press via AP)
It’s been known for some time that climate change is increasing wildfire activity and lengthening wildfire seasons. A 2006 study led by Anthony Westerling, a climate scientist at the University of California, Merced, found that wildfires in the western U.S. increased significantly beginning in the 1980s. The researchers also found that the average length of fire seasons between 1987 and 2003 had increased by 78 days, compared to the period from 1970 to 1986.

“Ultimately, a longer fire season means there’s more opportunity to have extreme fire days and extreme fire weather,” Kate Wilkin, a fire ecologist at San José State University, said.

In a follow-up study published in 2016, Westerling showed that longer, busier fire seasons were largely the result of warming temperatures and earlier spring snowmelt.

These twin factors were to blame for the Siberian fires that raged over the summer. Unusually warm temperatures in the Arctic — including a heat wave that saw the Russian town of Verkhoyansk hit a record-high 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit on June 20 — thawed the Siberian tundra and fueled the region’s intense blazes.

Similar dynamics, albeit across vastly different landscapes, are playing out around the world. And while climate change is not the only factor at play, it is the driving force, according to Daniel Swain, a climate scientist at the University of California, Los Angeles. Global warming essentially stacks the deck by not only increasing the chances that wildfires occur, but also increasing their severity when they do.

“Wildfires aren’t new in any of these places, but the character of the fires — how quickly they become very large and destructive — is shocking, even compared to recent extremes,” he said.

In places like California, climate change is making it so that wildfires are less defined by a season and have instead become a year-round threat. The implications of such a shift go beyond concerns about forest ecosystems and their ability to bounce back. Over the past month, the West Coast has been shrouded in thick smoke, with cities such as Portland in Oregon, Seattle and San Francisco ranking among the top 10 places in the world with the worst air quality.

a person that is standing in the dirt: Spring grass and forest fires in Russia's Novosibirsk Region (Kirill Kukhmar / TASS via Getty Images)© Kirill Kukhmar Spring grass and forest fires in Russia's Novosibirsk Region (Kirill Kukhmar / TASS via Getty Images)
Wildfire smoke is dangerous to inhale because it contains very fine particles that can penetrate deep into the lungs.

“The body responds by releasing the same immune cells it would to fight a virus, but unlike a virus, these particles can’t be broken down,” Perry Hystad, an environmental epidemiologist at Oregon State University, said. “They can reach the bloodstream, the heart, liver and even the brain, so these small particles can create all kinds of short- and long-term health concerns.”

Prolonged exposure to wildfire smoke is especially worrisome, he added. Some communities in California, for example, have been under air quality advisories for more than 40 consecutive days. These concerns also become magnified with longer and more severe wildfire seasons.

“A lot of people treat these as one-off disasters, but we’re definitely seeing higher annual exposure concentrations than we typically experience,” Hystad said. “We need to start treating wildfire smoke exposure as semichronic as fires become more routine.”

Raising awareness about the health impacts of wildfires will need to be part of how society adjusts to “a new reality” with wildfires, according to Prichard.

“We’ve now stepped into our climate change future, so what do we do about it?” she said. “How do we work with natural ecosystems and become more fire-adapted?”

a train on a track with smoke coming out of it: Image: (Dept. of Environment, Land, Water and Planning of Gippsland / via AP)© Dept. of Environment, Land, Water and Planning of Gippsland Image: (Dept. of Environment, Land, Water and Planning of Gippsland / via AP)
Part of those discussions will likely involve reevaluating land management strategies, which could include expanding what’s known as prescribed burning, Prichard said. This practice of intentionally setting fires to clear downed trees and other vegetation that would be susceptible to blazes is one way that forest managers try to reduce hazards ahead of peak fire seasons.

Outreach campaigns, such as Firewise USA, could also help individual homeowners and communities reduce their wildfire risks and better protect themselves.

Any adaptations will need to be swift, in order to avoid years with devastating wildfires as 2020 has been so far, according to Swain.

“Not every year will be as extreme as it’s been in Australia or on the West Coast, but we’re seeing that the ceiling for what’s possible is rising,” Swain said. “And that’s not a good thing, because the ceiling was already high in terms of how bad these wildfires could be.” [/quote]
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2020 12:46 pm
The "blob" of hotter ocean water that killed sea lions and other marine life may become permanent since ocean heat waves are directly linked to climate change.

High-impact marine heatwaves attributable to human-induced global warming
Quote:
Abstract
Marine heatwaves (MHWs)—periods of extremely high ocean temperatures in specific regions—have occurred in all of Earth’s ocean basins over the past two decades, with severe negative impacts on marine organisms and ecosystems. However, for most individual MHWs, it is unclear to what extent they have been altered by human-induced climate change. We show that the occurrence probabilities of the duration, intensity, and cumulative intensity of most documented, large, and impactful MHWs have increased more than 20-fold as a result of anthropogenic climate change. MHWs that occurred only once every hundreds to thousands of years in the preindustrial climate are projected to become decadal to centennial events under 1.5°C warming conditions and annual to decadal events under 3°C warming conditions. Thus, ambitious climate targets are indispensable to reduce the risks of substantial MHW impacts.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 25 Sep, 2020 10:36 pm
https://comicallyincorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/obama-trash-600-la.jpg

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/518181-trump-administration-finalizes-plan-to-open-up-protected-areas-of

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/24/tongass-national-forest-trump-administration-logging

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-alaska-deregulation-tongass-forest-bristol-bay-pebble-mine-1044655/
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 25 Sep, 2020 11:20 pm
@oralloy,
branco is invincibly stupid.. The west is burning up because of climate change. the east is destroyed by more violent tropical storms, and the shithead prez and branco still push that phone anti-science ****. Vote the dipwad out in november. save the planet and the country.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 25 Sep, 2020 11:45 pm
@MontereyJack,
I think you missed the point of the post. Read the links.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 02:22 am
@oralloy,
Mr Colleir, the boss of the Pebble Mine Complex has been a real douche bag these yers. Hes such a braggart that hed claimed he had the "permits all in the bag" because of his skills at negotiating ith the big guys and getting "friendlys " voted in. (HE JUST GOT CANNED FOR EMBARRASSING HIS PUPPETMASTERS)
If Pebble gets permitted we are merely killing one industry (Salmon fishing ) in favor of another (Copper production waste waters).

We can get more copper from waste sources than from new ore claims. Salmon are an endagered resource.

None a these clowns thinks economic trade-offs.


All those things in Plumps waste can are whats gonna kill him in the election.

Douche bag , instead of pushing "Mining coal" he shoulda been pushing getting rare earth elements out of coal waste thats already killed 2/3 of the streams in Pa, W Va , and Ky from AMD water

Pa has the 2nd longest amount of streams in the US (84000 miles) and over 2/3 are dead from pH's under 4!!!

Pebble Mine will continue that asshole "Gilded age" philosophy. Collier really got fired because he made some big mouth statement that they had COE in the bag so that the mine can be expanded againt environmental plans already submitted.
I hope this takes it back to square 1.
Were in no danger of losing copper sources.

farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 02:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Those heat blobs are a fairly recent finding no??
Have they mapped em worldwide yet??
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 02:28 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
getting rare earth elements out of coal waste thats already killed 2/3 of the streams in Pa, W Va, and Ky

That's a good idea. The US should do that.

But as far as the Alaska thing goes, it's important to Mr. Trump to completely destroy everything that Mr. Obama has ever built.
 

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