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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 08:48 am
@livinglava,
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How much land area are you proposing could be vaccinated in this way
Maybe we only vaccinate the areas that contain specific visible densities of caribou or reindeer.
I dont know, maybe Im wrong, but Im sure you will correct me.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 11:22 am
@farmerman,
I don't know of an anthrax problem with caribou . . . yet. This article, however, sounds a warning.
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 12:00 pm
Revealed: quarter of all tweets about climate crisis produced by bots

Draft of Brown study says findings suggest ‘substantial impact of mechanized bots in amplifying denialist messages’

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The social media conversation over the climate crisis is being reshaped by an army of automated Twitter bots, with a new analysis finding that a quarter of all tweets about climate on an average day are produced by bots, the Guardian can reveal.

The stunning levels of Twitter bot activity on topics related to global heating and the climate crisis is distorting the online discourse to include far more climate science denialism than it would otherwise.

An analysis of millions of tweets from around the period when Donald Trump announced the US would withdraw from the Paris climate agreement found that bots tended to applaud the president for his actions and spread misinformation about the science.

The study of Twitter bots and climate was undertaken by Brown University and has yet to be published. Bots are a type of software that can be directed to autonomously tweet, retweet, like or direct message on Twitter, under the guise of a human-fronted account.

“These findings suggest a substantial impact of mechanized bots in amplifying denialist messages about climate change, including support for Trump’s withdrawal from the Paris agreement,” states the draft study, seen by the Guardian.

On an average day during the period studied, 25% of all tweets about the climate crisis came from bots. This proportion was higher in certain topics – bots were responsible for 38% of tweets about “fake science” and 28% of all tweets about the petroleum giant Exxon.

Conversely, tweets that could be categorized as online activism to support action on the climate crisis featured very few bots, at about 5% prevalence. The findings “suggest that bots are not just prevalent, but disproportionately so in topics that were supportive of Trump’s announcement or skeptical of climate science and action”, the analysis states.

Thomas Marlow, a PhD candidate at Brown who led the study, said the research came about as he and his colleagues are “always kind of wondering why there’s persistent levels of denial about something that the science is more or less settled on”.

The researchers examined 6.5m tweets posted in the days leading up to and the month after Trump announced the US exit from the Paris accords on 1 June 2017. The tweets were sorted into topic category, with an Indiana University tool called Botometer used to estimate the probability the user behind the tweet is a bot.

Marlow said he was surprised that bots were responsible for a quarter of climate tweets on an average day. “I was like, ‘Wow that seems really high,’” he said.

The consistent drumbeat of bot activity around climate topics is highlighted by the day of Trump’s announcement, when a huge spike in general interest in the topic saw the bot proportion drop by about half to 13%. Tweets by suspected bots did increase from hundreds a day to more than 25,000 a day during the days around the announcement but it wasn’t enough to prevent a fall in proportional share.

Trump has consistently spread misinformation about the climate crisis, most famously calling it “bullshit” and a “hoax”, although more recently the US president has said he accepts the science that the world is heating up. Nevertheless, his administration has dismantled any major policy aimed at cutting planet-warming gases, including car emissions standards and restrictions on coal-fired power plants.

The Brown University study wasn’t able to identify any individuals or groups behind the battalion of Twitter bots, nor ascertain the level of influence they have had around the often fraught climate debate.

However, a number of suspected bots that have consistently disparaged climate science and activists have large numbers of followers on Twitter. One that ranks highly on the Botometer score, @sh_irredeemable, wrote “Get lost Greta!” in December, in reference to the Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg.

This was followed by a tweet that doubted the world will reach a 9-billion population due to “#climatechange lunacy stopping progress”. The account has nearly 16,000 followers.

Another suspected bot, @petefrt, has nearly 52,000 followers and has repeatedly rejected climate science. “Get real, CNN: ‘Climate Change’ dogma is religion, not science,” the account posted in August. Another tweet from November called for the Paris agreement to be ditched in order to “reject a future built by globalists and European eco-mandarins”.

Twitter accounts spreading falsehoods about the climate crisis are also able to use the promoted tweets option available to those willing to pay for extra visibility. Twitter bans a number of things from its promoted tweets, including political content and tobacco advertising, but allows any sort of content, true or otherwise, on the climate crisis.

Research on internet blogs published last year found that climate misinformation is often spread due to readers’ perception of how widely this opinion is shared by other readers.

Stephan Lewandowsky, an academic at the University of Bristol who co-authored the research, said he was “not at all surprised” at the Brown University study due to his own interactions with climate-related messages on Twitter.

“More often than not, they turn out to have all the fingerprints of bots,” he said. “The more denialist trolls are out there, the more likely people will think that there is a diversity of opinion and hence will weaken their support for climate science.

“In terms of influence, I personally am convinced that they do make a difference, although this can be hard to quantify.”

John Cook, an Australian cognitive scientist and co-author with Lewandowsky, said that bots are “dangerous and potentially influential”, with evidence showing that when people are exposed to facts and misinformation they are often left misled.

“This is one of the most insidious and dangerous elements of misinformation spread by bots – not just that misinformation is convincing to people but that just the mere existence of misinformation in social networks can cause people to trust accurate information less or disengage from the facts,” Cook said.

Although Twitter bots didn’t ramp up significantly around the Paris withdrawal announcement, some advocates of action to tackle the climate crisis are wary of a spike in activity around the US presidential election later this year.

“Even though we don’t know who they are, or their exact motives, it seems self-evident that Trump thrives on the positive reinforcement he receives from these bots and their makers,” said Ed Maibach, an expert in climate communication at George Mason University.

“It is terrifying to ponder the possibility that the Potus was cajoled by bots into committing an atrocity against humanity.”

guardian
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 01:02 pm
@hightor,
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Revealed: quarter of all tweets about climate crisis produced by bots

Once upon a time, I shared a hope that the internet would aid democracy. In retrospect, it all now seems rather like my hopefulness regarding LSD. Then you go out to mow the lawn and hear the blades of grass screaming.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 03:24 pm
@hightor,
Well geeze, somebody has to help out those poor capitalists who are heavily invested in the energy sector. Where's your humanity?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 03:35 pm
@Setanta,
Are you two gentlemen saying that we have a bunch of brain dead posters who do nothing but spout propoganda without knowing whether or not its true?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2020 03:36 pm
No comment . . . you'll need to talk to my lawyer.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 01:06 am
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

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How much land area are you proposing could be vaccinated in this way?

This might seem petty - but you don't vaccinate land areas.

You're right. I wasn't thinking of the vaccinations in terms of herds clumping together. I was just thinking of all the land area that they cover.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 01:10 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
How much land area are you proposing could be vaccinated in this way
Maybe we only vaccinate the areas that contain specific visible densities of caribou or reindeer.
I dont know, maybe Im wrong, but Im sure you will correct me.

Part of me was thinking it would be an overwhelming and wasteful effort, but then it occurred to me that if I was such an animal being threatened by disease and climate change, it would be nice if someone was trying to vaccinate me . . .

. . . even though it would be better if they would restore the natural climate by reforming how they lived.

This is going to be a silly hypothetical analogy, but imagine you were an owl who lived by feeding on squirrels and humans were cutting down the trees that supported the squirrel population and gave you a place to nest, but then they built boxes for the squirrels to nest in and artificial places for owls to nest, and grew food for the squirrels to eat so that the owls would still have squirrels for food. Would you then be upset about losing your natural habitat and having to depend on humans for food, or would you just be happy they didn't let the squirrel population die off and thus let you owls starve to death?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 06:25 am
@livinglava,
usually bio engineering tries to employ the simplest solutions. It wasnt always that way. In Victorian era we were busy doing all sorts of over-engineered things to solve simple projects.


Caribou and reindeer are basically different varietals of the same species. Injecting reindeer has apparently been undertaken by the Russians so , we can check off that obvious solution to a problem. However,Caribou are the UNDOMESTICATED (and larger varietal) of the species so vaccinations may be a bit more challenging, that's why I suggested developing a topical or nasal inhalant to deliver via helicopter . Wed include tracking particles so the helicopters wouldn't waste efforts by repeatedly vaccinating just one population.


I'm not sure what you were reaching for with your owl and squirrel analogy but , I suppose we could spray the lichen fields with a spore form of the live vaccine. I don't know how successful that'd be . SO, I propose that it be tested out in a hurry so we dont wind up losing ours (and Canada;s) caribou.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 08:21 am
U.S. blocking G20 mention of climate change in draft communique, diplomats say
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RIYADH (Reuters) - The United States is against mentioning climate change in the communique of the world’s financial leaders, G20 diplomats said, after a new draft of the joint statement showed the G20 are considering including it as a risk factor to growth.
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G20 sources said the United States was reluctant to accept language on climate change as a risk to the economy.

“Usually China blocks as well, but as they are represented at lower level it’s mainly the U.S.,” one G20 diplomat said.

“Climate is the last sticking point in the communique. There is still no agreement,” a second source familiar with the negotiations said.
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 08:24 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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as a risk to the economy.

I want to shoot these bastards.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 09:58 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

I'm not sure what you were reaching for with your owl and squirrel analogy but , I suppose we could spray the lichen fields with a spore form of the live vaccine. I don't know how successful that'd be . SO, I propose that it be tested out in a hurry so we dont wind up losing ours (and Canada;s) caribou.

The owl and squirrel analogy was in reference to the larger problem of climate continuing to change because of the combined total of all human development and industrial activities that basically stoke themselves by always finding new uses for industrially-powered machines and infrastructure projects to support those.

So when you start applying industrialism to the task of intervening in diseases and other symptoms of climate change, you are using climate change coping mechanisms to add fuel to the fire of climate change.

So on the one hand these animals can benefit from humans flying around in helicopters and using other vehicles to vaccinate them against disease, etc.; but the bottom line is that the climate is changing because of the whole economic culture of industrialism justifying expensive helicopter flights and other projects, including wildlife-rescues that ultimately amount to more economic stimulus that keeps the climate-changing industrial economic culture burning through resources as it does.

For nature climate to be restored, humans have to settle down. If they get excited and put even more energy into mitigating climate change, that in itself is a distraction from the settling down required to restore natural patterns and thus allow climate to heal.
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 11:23 am
@livinglava,
WTF?! Farmer, Can you sort that out?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 01:47 pm
I would like to point out that the climate is changing and will continue to warm without reference to humans. Certainly human activity accelerates the effect, but the climate had been warming and will continue to change whatever humans do. The reason not to add CO2 and methane to the atmosphere is to mitigate the effect while humans develop solutions to the speed of change which results from human activity.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 03:07 pm
@Ragman,
I would need some croutons an a nice balsamic.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 04:21 pm
@farmerman,
Why don't we buy ollie and c j guns that shoot injections into caribou. It would give them something to shoot and keep them from spouting their bull shyt on this site. A win win for able 2 know.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 05:04 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

I would need some croutons an a nice balsamic.

Calling my post 'word salad' says more about your reading abilities than what I wrote.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 05:14 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

I would like to point out that the climate is changing and will continue to warm without reference to humans. Certainly human activity accelerates the effect, but the climate had been warming and will continue to change whatever humans do. The reason not to add CO2 and methane to the atmosphere is to mitigate the effect while humans develop solutions to the speed of change which results from human activity.

Ice ages have occurred naturally in the past as greenhouse gases got sufficiently locked out of the atmosphere. Obviously an ice age involves atmospheric water vapor levels dropping to extremely low levels as the ground gets covered with ice, but I don't know whether the water freezes after the CO2 has mostly been leeched out and bound up in life forms and their sediments, or whether the temperature somehow drops so low near the poles that CO2 gets frozen into the ice and that starts a progressive cooling trend.

Organic life could work both to help cooling occur by reducing atmospheric CO2 levels but it could also prevent too much cooling by blanketing cold regions under forest canopy, transpiring water vapor in warmer areas, which would maintain sufficient greenhouse effect to avert total freeze down, etc.

Anyway, I think it's false to presume climate can only warm in the absence of humans.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 06:14 pm
@livinglava,
Where did Setanta say climate could only heat in the absence of humans?
 

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