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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2019 03:07 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Blah blah blah. I'll call on you next time I need a string of empty words.

Have you considered the possibility that they seem empty to you because you don't understand them?
livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2019 03:13 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Market-radical think tanks from the USA now want to fight the global climate agreement in Europe as well.
The Trump fans were at the climate summit in Madrid to establish right-wing influencers and networks in Germany.

Parallel to the UN climate summit, European and US climate change deniers met in Madrid at the "Climate Reality Forum" conference. The conference focused on how the world could defend itself against alleged "climate alarmism" and "climate madness".
The conference was organised by the US think tank Heartland Institute and the German climate change denier association EIKE from Jena. The thesis of Heartland's environmental expert James Taylor: "We are winning Europe".

The new "young star" of the movement was also invited: the right-wing blogger Naomi Seibt from Münster. She was the only female speaker at the event, which was traditionally dominated by older men.
The Heartland Institute in particular is currently trying to stage the 19-year-old as an "Anti-Greta". Naomi Seibt is trying to be a once "naive" environmentalist, who has now "woken up" and seen through the "climate lie".

Since the conference in Madrid Heartland has been promoting the Münster woman on its channels, the right-wing "Breitbart-Blog" interviewed Seibt, and also the German climate deniers praise her as Jugendliche mit Sachverstand ("youngster with expertise") against the alleged puppets of the industriellen Klimakomplex ("industrial climate complex"), as it is said on the EIKE blog.

Heartland's environmental spokesman James Taylor explained a that it was a good idea to hire Naomi Seibt on a permanent basis.


The LKR ("Liberal Conservative Reformers"), a small right-wing Germany party, organises now 'climate conferences', co-sponsored by the Heartland Institute.

Europe's climate actions are superficial policy measures. Besides Greta's choice to sail instead of fly, what are everyday people living in Europe changing about their lifestyles to achieve sustainability?

What are they doing to reduce economic dependency on global trade and investments that drive the global unsustainability economy?

They are trying to unload their guilt for the high standard of living they enjoy by creating these climate agreements, etc. but their banks/funds are investing the US and other global economic markets that are dependent on unsustainable economic activities.

Did you listen to what the yellow vests were saying about being saddled with the burden of fuel taxes despite the fact that they are not given fuel-free opportunities for work? In order for the global economy to become fuel free, investors across the globe have to stop pushing it to generate so much revenue.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2019 05:00 pm
@livinglava,
UNFORTUNATELY no matter your ultimate wish for return of the "Dark Ages", time as perceived by us all will never go backwards.

EVERYTHING you wish for , does not reduce carbon's reaction with oxygen, it merely moves the reaction elsewhere.

It appears that you merely want to Lower the first world's entire standard of living so that the third world's standard isnt so far behind. That sounds like " Lets stick our heads in the sand and our problems will go away"
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2019 05:13 pm
Hoping you guys will all enjoy the new film coming out soon for which I wrote the screenplay. With some other Jewish writers. It's an apocalyptic sci-fi musical. Title (in bright orange) is

"The Algorithm From Outer Space"

Thanks for listening.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2019 05:26 pm
@blatham,
OR
PI IN THE SKY
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2019 05:31 pm
@farmerman,
You know, Dean Martin's cousin, Irving Martin, who was a mathematician at MIT, wrote a song obliquely about that, farmerman, and Dean recorded it. Dean jazzed it up for the Italian record buying market. It was a big hit.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2019 05:34 pm
@blatham,
yh but the only problem is , he could never end the damn song.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2019 05:40 pm
@farmerman,
If you keep getting residuals think how rich you'd get.

No outcome is perfect.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2019 01:32 am
@livinglava,
Have you considered that perhaps you're not as deep as you think?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2019 01:37 am
@RABEL222,
I expect solution's from politicians, yes. If you don't, why do you care to vote, pray tell?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2019 10:34 am
Bureau of Meteorology, Australia - @BOM_au

Based on preliminary analysis, yesterday, Australia recorded its hottest day on record. The nationally-averaged maximum daytime temp was 41.9 °C exceeding the record set on Tuesday, 40.9 ºC. You can view the top ten highest daily maximum temps here: http://ow.ly/Jg3f50xDRyv

6:52 AM - Dec 19, 2019

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMIKdrFW4AArYav.jpg
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2019 10:56 am
@Olivier5,
that's a very fine question
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2019 01:50 pm
@Olivier5,
Hoping ill eventually find a candidate that has some ethics and will vote to help people that need help rather than the billionaires who are paying politicians under the table. This system was enabled by the supreme court by the way another part of government that is mostly without ethics.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2019 06:29 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

UNFORTUNATELY no matter your ultimate wish for return of the "Dark Ages", time as perceived by us all will never go backwards.

EVERYTHING you wish for , does not reduce carbon's reaction with oxygen, it merely moves the reaction elsewhere.

It appears that you merely want to Lower the first world's entire standard of living so that the third world's standard isnt so far behind. That sounds like " Lets stick our heads in the sand and our problems will go away"

This is exactly the kind of thinking that is poisoning hope for sustainability.

The biosphere is basically a 3D printer that draws on the atmosphere as its 'ink.' The biotic sediments build up year after year and gradually condense into fossil-fuels.

Those fuels are not just stored up waiting for humans to dig them up and burn them. They are boiling up as volcanic lava and otherwise contributing to geological processes that are essential to the long-term sustainability of the planet.

Humans can use technology to live within the margins of sustainability and support all the natural cycles we interact with instead of taxing them.

Humans don't have to be parasitic. We can be mutualistic-symbiotic and actually support the biosphere that supports us, while thriving.

We just have to learn how to apply our intelligence to living right. It's hard at the moment because we got too wrapped up in the present availability of fossil-fuels for a few centuries and built up unsustainable industrial norms.

Now if we just revise our use of technologies and resources to be permanently sustainable, we'll be fine. No need to 'return' to any 'dark ages,' as you say.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2019 06:30 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Have you considered that perhaps you're not as deep as you think?

No, do you think that would help me better communicate about sustainability if I would?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2019 09:10 am
Dutch supreme court upholds landmark ruling demanding climate action

Quote:
Court rules Dutch government has duty to protect citizens’ rights in face of climate change

The Netherlands’ supreme court has upheld a ruling ordering the country’s government to do much more to cut carbon emissions, after a six-year fight for climate justice.

The court ruled that the government had explicit duties to protect its citizens’ human rights in the face of climate change and must reduce emissions by at least 25% compared with 1990 levels by the end of 2020.

The non-profit Urgenda Foundation, which brought the case, welcomed the “groundbreaking” judgment. The original judgment in 2015 was seen as a landmark in the then nascent field of climate litigation, and inspired similar cases across the world, from Pakistan to New Zealand.

David Boyd, the UN special rapporteur on human rights and the environment, said it was “the most important climate change court decision in the world so far, confirming that human rights are jeopardised by the climate emergency and that wealthy nations are legally obligated to achieve rapid and substantial emission reductions.”

The Dutch government had previously said it would comply with the substance of the ruling, but it repeatedly appealed over the legal basis for the decision. The latest national statistics show the Netherlands is very unlikely to meet the 2020 emissions target.

The Netherlands passed its first piece of national climate legislation in 2018, it has published a more ambitious carbon plan for 2030, and it is closing its first coal plant next year.

According to the supreme court, individual nations have direct obligations under articles 2 and 8 of the European convention on human rights, covering the right to life and the right to private and family life.

Dennis van Berkel, a member of the legal counsel for Urgenda, said: “The enormous importance of this case is not just that the Netherlands is obliged to act but that these principles are universal. No court outside the Netherlands is bound by this decision but the influence that this court has and the inspiration that it will give to others are really big.”

Van Berkel said that if the government did not comply with the ruling, Urgenda could start separate legal proceedings against it.

The Dutch climate minister, Eric Wiebes, said the government had “taken note” of decision and would issue a full response in January. He said the Netherlands had announced an “ambitious” set of measures this year to implement the judgment, although campaigners think it could go much further.

As well as inspiring cases against other national governments, Urgenda’s success has encouraged campaigners to take up legal arms against corporations. In April a group of social and environmental justice groups led by Friends of the Earth Netherlands began the process of suing the oil firm Shell, arguing that its business model threatens international climate goals and endangers human rights.

In a formal reply in November, Shell denied it was liable. A month earlier the company’s CEO said it had “no choice” but to invest in oil and claimed it was “entirely legitimate” to do so.

Nine de Pater, a climate and energy campaigner at Friends of the Earth Netherlands, said the supreme court decision set an important precedent for the Shell case because they used similar legal arguments. “It is a huge decision for all current climate litigation cases,” she said.


Press release by the Hoge Raad (in English): Dutch State to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 25% by the end of 2020

Full ruling (in Dutch): DE STAAT DER NEDERLANDEN tegen STICHTING URGENDA
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2019 03:26 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

The Netherlands’ supreme court has upheld a ruling ordering the country’s government to do much more to cut carbon emissions, after a six-year fight for climate justice.

The Dutch economy is highly dependent on trade and will be unable to cut carbon emissions in all the markets where its investments generate returns and/or where it imports commodities from.

Bicycles and transit are probably the most effective strategy for energy-efficiency, but that is just domestic/local transportation and there are still a lot of flights going through Schiphol and ships going through Rotterdam.

Then you have to consider all the indoor spaces. How much energy goes into heating, and what about all the industrial facilities? Dutch economics involves a lot of industrial activity constantly refurbishing, building new infrastructure, building new land, etc. That all takes energy. Wind and solar power aren't going to power it all without major radical changes to industrial-consumer lifestyles and ways of working and doing business.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2019 11:01 pm
@livinglava,
The ruling may have far-reaching consequences: on the one hand for plaintiffs in other EU countries who are taking legal action against their governments for what they consider to be inadequate climate protection. On the other hand for the German energy companies Uniper and RWE. They operate several coal-fired power plants in the Netherlands, some of which were only opened a few years ago. These piles may now have to be closed much sooner than planned. This is because by the end of 2018 the country had only achieved CO2 savings of 15 percent.

The government declared a few days ago that it would implement the Supreme Court's ruling. However it turns out.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2019 08:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

The ruling may have far-reaching consequences: on the one hand for plaintiffs in other EU countries who are taking legal action against their governments for what they consider to be inadequate climate protection. On the other hand for the German energy companies Uniper and RWE. They operate several coal-fired power plants in the Netherlands, some of which were only opened a few years ago. These piles may now have to be closed much sooner than planned. This is because by the end of 2018 the country had only achieved CO2 savings of 15 percent.

The government declared a few days ago that it would implement the Supreme Court's ruling. However it turns out.

How are they counting all the shipping and industry that goes on in and through Rotterdam? What about all the marine operations, such as fishing? Marine vehicles aren't very fuel efficient unless they are sailing vessels powered by wind. Why would they shut down power plants instead of combustion-powered vehicles like ships? It doesn't make sense to target electricity while doing nothing about vehicular traffic and industrial operations, let alone global economic operations.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2019 08:53 am
@livinglava,
I suppose, you get in touch with these points directly with the Nederlands kabinet ("Dutch government").


Actually, it lasted six years until this (final) ruling.
The Dutch government already had had plans at that time to reduce CO2 emissions. The point was the amount and the speed to do so.
The government considered it sufficient to reduce emissions by 20% in 2020 compared to 1990, but according to Urgenda, the reduction had to be 25% - the Netherlands had promised this ten years ago.
(See ruling linked above)

 

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