@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Quote:Taxing carbon just doesn't do much besides causing people to drive less.
That's fortunate, because it's exactly the point.
You ignored the rest of my post that explained why it isn't sufficient to just drive less.
CO2 emissions are only part of the problem with driving. The other part is deforestation and obstruction of reforestation caused by infrastructure and urban planning oriented toward all trips occurring by automobile.
It is going to take a long time for cities to geographically reform so that paved corridors are reforested and buildings and other pavements are renovated to accommodate living soils, trees, and ecosystems that absorb and store carbon.
Currently you will see cities renovate their automotive grid networks by not only repaving existing roads, but also adding more highways, etc. in order to increase the capacity for a growing population to all get around by driving. When a city takes that step, they have effectively procrastinated pavement-downsizing/reforestation by several decades when the infrastructure will once again be up for renewal.
If you tax carbon/fuel and people drive a little less, it won't be sufficient reduction in driving-demand to motivate municipalities to narrow paved corridors to single-lanes and reforest the outer lanes of the corridor as parkway with trees and bike/pedestrian pathways.
For sustainable climate, most human traffic has to occur by foot/bicycle, and longer-distance commuting and travel should be mostly by bus and/or rail where rail is available. Currently, however, rail projects are being launched without thinking through how those rail lines are supposed to attract passengers away from driving.
Carbon taxation is not going attract people away from driving because they will just drive less and hope for more money so they can afford to drive more again. Really what needs to happen is for many more people to walk, bike, and use transit exclusively instead of driving so that the market demand for pedestrian/bike/transit infrastructure grows.
This is something you can't legislate/regulate unless you simply make it much more difficult to get a driving license, but then you are likely to have public outcries against politicians who support taking away people's licenses in this way.
If you really just want to reduce fossil fuel use and let the market sort out the rest, then the way to do that would be to make quotas for drilling/refining and punish companies that exceed their quotas by lowering their future quotas by whatever amount the overshot the current year quota.
Having fossil fuel quotas would cause market prices to increase as investors invest in scarcity, or rather the prospect of scarcity. That would also stimulate companies to not overshoot their quotas because they would expect even higher prices in the future due to other companies' quotas being cut due to overshoot in the current year.
The challenge would be to prevent lobbying to increase and/or eliminate the quotas. Climate denial isn't just a reaction against climate science; it is a political stance to pro-actively thwart reform progress that obstructs market freedoms that involve liberal energy use.
The only truly effective means of cutting fossil fuel use is to convince the public to stop using fuel and energy as much as possible, and to reduce their spending on products whose producers fail to do so.
Investing in climate reform is not as effective as cutting spending/investment in failing industries/companies because investment stimulates growth, which funnels money in directions that will eventually end up funding the same old unsustainable business and consumer practices. Just look at how investment in denser/walkable new urban/mixed developments generates profits and jobs that end up stimulating more affordable suburban development. If you invest in green/sustainability, you will get a lot of greenwashing of unsustainable economic projects as well as general economic growth that ultimately feeds into the economic culture of unsustainability that has been established and thus seems achievable to many people the moment the economy is growing enough to put it within their reach.