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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 12:22 am
@oralloy,
your argument that it is suppression is intellectually dishonest, as is your specious generalization from that one example to included the millions of other data points that have absolutely no connection to yojr bogus contention of suppression.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 12:25 am
@MontereyJack,
That is incorrect. It is factually correct to refer to it as suppression when leftists prevent data that they don't like from being published.

And when data is being cherry picked, that makes data biased and unreliable.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 12:28 am
@oralloy,
https://www.usda.gov/media/press-releases/2015/03/11/record-low-snowpack-cascades-sierra-nevada

The USDA, not exactly an agency in the thick of climate change controverysy, disagrees with your supposed suppressed article and with glenn's position. USDA also reanalyzes growing zones for crops a couple years ago ahd moved all zones one zone north, due to climate change since their ast reanalysus in the 60s.
. They do that on the basis of extensive research on what crops will grow where and farmers depend heavily on their maps, to the tune of billions of dollars, so their data is not biased, or they would have been burned at the stake by now, and they disagree with you.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 12:35 am
@MontereyJack,
Sorry. I'm not interested in conclusions derived from cherry-picked data.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 12:50 am
@oralloy,
the original nonpublished article was obviously cherry picked since its conclusion was wrong. your whole approach is intellectually dishonest.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 12:53 am
@MontereyJack,
When reality differs with the leftist narrative, it's not reality that is wrong.

And no, it isn't intellectually dishonest for me to refuse to accept conclusions that are derived from biased and unreliable data.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 12:55 am
@oralloy,
this way it's large enough that it should be clear even to you. data that has absolutely no connection to your bogus claim of suppreession.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 01:03 am
@MontereyJack,
When leftists prevent data that they dislike from being published, there is nothing bogus about referring to that as suppression.

You've provided no proof that this data has not been cherry picked.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 01:11 am
@oralloy,
I'm sure you sit besides every weather station, 24/24.

Regarding your IQ: I've read that a Dutch boy just now gets his BA in electronic engineer sciences, aged 9 years, with a low IQ of only 145.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 01:14 am
NEW STUDY: CLIMATE CHANGE IS MAKING HURRICANES MORE DESTRUCTIVE

Phil Plait, Nov 12, 2019

Global warming is a global emergency. It's not just that the world is getting hotter; our climate is a very complex system with a lot of interacting parts, so as carbon dioxide traps ever more heat from the Sun, it's throwing everything off kilter. Some of the ways our climate is changing are obvious (ocean acidification, extreme weather, oceans warming, sea level rise) but others are more subtle.

Take, for example, hurricanes.

Climate change doesn't increase the number of hurricanes overall (the reason hurricanes form is complex and climate change plays into that — for example, warmer water feeds hurricanes more energy, but atmospheric wind sheartends to cut them off at the top, making it hard for convection to really get going — but it doesn't appear to change the total number that form), but climate models have shown that there should be a moderate intensification of hurricanes overall in the North Atlantic, and also that the most powerful hurricanes should become more frequent and even more powerful.

That second bit has been shown pretty clearly in recent years; when you look at the most powerful hurricanes they are clearly growing in number and power themselves. But are hurricanes in general doing more damage? That's been harder to pin down.

A new study, though, shows that the models are correct: Hurricanes are indeed doing more damage to coastal populations in the United States. Moreover, scientists can put a number on it: The frequency of the most damaging hurricanes more than tripled per century.


https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/new-study-climate-change-is-making-hurricanes-more-destructive
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 04:53 am
@MontereyJack,
I was involved in a discussion elesewhere about theUSDA climate /crop zones. eve comfortably slipped into a climate zone where specific boreal trees are moving further north and subtropical trees (like srepe myrtle and live oak) have been slowly moving north from Delmarva into Pa an NJ and western Md.
We used to be a comfortable growing area for RHUBARB, no more, rhunarbs need a "hardening off" riod of about 4 to 6 weeks STRAIGHT of freezing weather that runs th frost line to thir deeper tap roots. This has not been the case for about 20 years.

We ar testing an growing entirely new lgums on our farm. New varieties of hot season alfalfas, and alfalfas that can live in almost tropical wet conditions as well as new varieties of birdsfoot trefoil are all becoming the "new norm". Theyve also hit on some new varieties of high protein orchard grasses

Ask any of the tech reps of the seed companies, our three local reps are 2 to 1 republican , but they dont deny the product results of their own agronomy studies.

No matter what the deniers seem to hang on to, science and industry AND agriculture will find a work around that results in making a profit.

Thats what a normal to high IQ range should be able to provide us all with, the ability for individual analyses of data and arriving at good information based conclusions.

Im planting alfalfa and trefoil comfortably as a zone 7B , when I started farming over 30 years ago, I was in zone 6 (almost the cuttoff zone for most peach varieties)



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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 06:48 am
Quote:
Bill Weir
@BillWeirCNN
The Mayor of Venice blames climate change for tonight’s state of emergency flooding event with water just shy of the devastating record-high “aqua alta” of 1966.

St Mark’s Basilica is flooded for the second time in 2 years.

Before 2018, it happened 4 times in over 900 years.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 07:21 am
@blatham,
I saw that... So sad. I was in Venice once under "aqua alta", it was a bit of a pain but manageable, the kind that happens every year at high tide. But this flooding beats everything they've seen.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 10:14 am
@Olivier5,
Many tourist attractions, especially in Italy, Croatia and Greece, are affected by the effects due to climate change.
Therefore, the cultural monuments there must be better protected from those consequences

Mediterranean UNESCO World Heritage at risk from coastal flooding and erosion due to sea-level rise

In Venice, they try to such with the MOSE Project ... which, however, has been delayed due, among other things, to a corruption scandal.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 06:16 pm
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 06:35 pm
@Olivier5,
Yes. I was listening on CBC radio today to a local resident whose house in Venice has flooded again.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 06:39 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Progressives can be fun to laugh at sometimes.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 07:08 pm
@oralloy,
Problem is, the denialists all make such incredibly stupid contrafactual debunked statements endlessly repeated that it's hard to laugh at them because the consequences of their denials are so bad for the world and its inhabitants that its excruciating to see them parading their ignorance before us.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 08:06 pm
@MontereyJack,
That's exactly the sort of hysteria that is so much fun to laugh at. Keep it up!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 13 Nov, 2019 11:53 pm
Our warming planet is already impacting the health of the world's children and will shape the future of an entire generation if we fail to limit global warming to well below 2 degrees Celcius (35.6°F), the 2019 Lancet Countdown Report on health and climate change shows.

The report, put together by doctors and researchers, warns that children are particularly vulnerable to climate change, because a warming world exposes them to more infectious diseases, malnutrition and stunted growth, and dirty air that hinders the development of their lungs.

A major concern is Vibrio cholerae, the bacterium that leads to diarrhoeal disease, the world’s number two killer of children under the age of 5. People are most susceptible in certain coastal areas, and the percentage of these at-risk regions has already grown almost a third in the Baltic and north-east US since the 1980s as warming changes sea surface temperatures.

2019 Report of the Lancet Countdown on Health and Climate Change
 

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