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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 11:51 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
When we control the climate, we will then control the weather. You will be able to order just enough rain and sunshine to keep down the cracks in the footpath. My big toe thanks you and wishes you would stop breathing out CO2 because it makes the trees healthier.
Great post, Ionus. I picked the above quote, to make the related observation that the entire idea of "Earth Day" and "Saving the Earth" as having always struck me as both ludicrous and completely arrogant. I think it merely serves to demonstrate the vanity of man, and the bloated self image of liberals when they entertain such ideas that we either have or should have that much authority or power to influence the forces of nature.

I also think the environmental movement is a form of religious worship, sort of after the tradition of ancient peoples worshiping nature, such as the sun gods and all ot the other gods they found in nature, which are in contrast with the Judeo-Christian religious tradition which recognizes one God above the entire creation and gave Man the authority over the creation to use it rather than worshiping it. Of course Man was to use it responsibly and not abuse it, but that is still a big difference from a virtual worship of it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 12:01 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

I also think the environmental movement is a form of religious worship, ...


Certainly it is kind of - both our two great churches, the Evangelical Church of Germany and the Catholic Church, are main supporters of the environmental movement (and Earth Day): God's creation, Christianity and such, you know.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 12:19 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

okie wrote:

I also think the environmental movement is a form of religious worship, ...


Certainly it is kind of - both our two great churches, the Evangelical Church of Germany and the Catholic Church, are main supporters of the environmental movement (and Earth Day): God's creation, Christianity and such, you know.


But as I've just seen on another thread, okie, you support that Christian attitude of the churches here, too:

On the 'Conservative thread' okie wrote:
A system of all of us being under a central ruler or king would be placing our confidence in man and the government of man, instead of placing our confidence in ourselves to do what is responsible toward one God and toward each other.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 01:46 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
okie has the habit of contradicting himself sooner or later. This is only one example of many that people have pointed out. okie will ignore this, and do it again sooner or later.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 06:21 pm
@okie,
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the entire idea of "Earth Day"
Is that the day they turn off all the lights ? I turn on all my lights. I feel I have to do my bit to make up for others.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 06:22 pm
@okie,
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I also think the environmental movement is a form of religious worship, sort of after the tradition of ancient peoples worshiping nature,
We think alike.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 06:44 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
I also think the environmental movement is a form of religious worship, sort of after the tradition of ancient peoples worshiping nature...
That's interesting. I never considered it that way before.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 07:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
okie wrote:
I also think the environmental movement is a form of religious worship, ...
Certainly it is kind of - both our two great churches, the Evangelical Church of Germany and the Catholic Church, are main supporters of the environmental movement (and Earth Day): God's creation, Christianity and such, you know.
I will not argue with you on that point, Walter. To give you more of my opinion about this, I think that it has not been too uncommon for Catholicism for example, to incorporate some of the traditions of cultures and regions in which they need converts to gain prominence or dominance in the populations. I am no expert on this for sure, but as an example, I think Catholicism has incorporated some Native American traditions in South America, in order to gain converts within the native populations in the past. I have been told many years ago by somebody I knew that there was a sect of Catholics called the Penitentes, who practiced self-flagellations, which might have been rooted in certain Native American cultures. I was first told about this by an older family member that worked in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at one time, where some of that sect had apparently lived at one time.

So, I think it is true that some religions will incorporate all or part of the enivronmental movement or beliefs as part of their creed, and certainly individuals belonging to various sects have beliefs about the environment. As for myself, I am a bit of an environmentalist inasmuch as I believe in conservation and acting as good stewards here. Examples, although we were farmers, my Dad never subscribed to raising cattle in feedlots and pumping his livestock full of growth hormones, etc. I could give you many more examples, but that should be enough to give you a general picture of what I talk about. In short, I believe in taking care of the earth, but I believe in using it, and I am not what you would call a radical "tree hugger."
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
There is no contradiction in my posts. You can try to manufacture one, ci, but that is in your mind, not what I post here.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 08:16 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Quote:
I also think the environmental movement is a form of religious worship, sort of after the tradition of ancient peoples worshiping nature,
We think alike.
I also think the environmental movement is a vehicle that ultra socialists or Marxists hope to use to further their attempt to gain credibility or prominence again. The fall of the Soviet Union seemed to throw a bucket of cold water all over the entire idea of communism or ultra socialism being a viable concept, so they had to try to find something else to try to regain their credibility and power, and the environmental movement, including global warming, gives them that hope. They believe central planning by one world government will ultimately be necessary to save the earth, and this gives them a glimmer of hope for the ultimate power they desire. Remember, Marxism is an international or world economic system that they ultimately want.

I had this theory before I heard other conservatives voicing the same opinion. Rush Limbaugh came out with this a number of years ago, and when I heard it, I thought, yes, Rush, you are voicing what many of us have already figured out. This reminds me, most libs think conservatives listen to folks like Rush to figure out how to think, but it is just the opposite for most conservatives. Most of us figure this out from what we've absorbed throughout our lifetimes, and some of the conservative talk guys resonate with us because they simply voice what we already know by instinct or reason.

What do you think, Ionus?
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 11:44 am
okie's never met a conspiracy theory he didn't believe in.
okie
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 08:50 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
okie's never met a conspiracy theory he didn't believe in.
Silly statement of course. Also to correct you, I don't think the environmental movement should be classified as a conspiracy theory. I think it is simply a political movement masquerading as a scientific issue. I am sure there are some well meaning scientists that still think it is scientifically driven, but many realize that it is highly political. When certain political factions decided that they could use it to further their agenda, then it became politicized. It was fairly simple to figure this out, which I did a long time ago when I realized many radical environmentalists were anti-capitalists.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 03:25 am
uh, okie, believing there's a secret plot to create a one world government and take over the planet is kind of by definition a conspiracy theory. You might, just for once, try thinking that people whose politics youy disagree with actuallyt mean what they say. You've really got to stop listening to Glenn Beck all the time. And you really ought to stop fantasizing. Environmental awareness preceded the collapse of communism by decades and has nothing to do with that political system (You might go back and look at American environmentalists' excoriation of the Soviet Union for its ecological depredations, for example).
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 07:00 pm
@okie,
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I also think the environmental movement is a vehicle that ultra socialists or Marxists hope to use to further their attempt to gain credibility or prominence again.
That could very well be. I think you risk criticism by those who say it cant be true because if it was a secret they would know about it.

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They believe central planning by one world government will ultimately be necessary to save the earth, and this gives them a glimmer of hope for the ultimate power they desire.
I think this is a long term aim of many people, especially in the green movement.

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This reminds me, most libs think conservatives listen to folks like Rush to figure out how to think, but it is just the opposite for most conservatives. Most of us figure this out from what we've absorbed throughout our lifetimes, and some of the conservative talk guys resonate with us because they simply voice what we already know by instinct or reason.
I agree, and I think this is in complete contrast with lefties who have to work out what other lefties like so they can all be fashionable with the latest buzzwords and criticisms.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 07:01 pm
@MontereyJack,
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okie's never met a conspiracy theory he didn't believe in.
Are you aware of all conspiracies ? Who tells you all this ? You must be very important. Or do you think that there are NO conspiracies anywhere ?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 12:16 am
try reading my post again, ionus.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 05:32 am
@MontereyJack,
Did that the first time. The green movement especially its anti-nuclear part, was encouraged by the USSR. The west developed the neutron bomb and the activists were called out by the USSR to protest it. The result is the west kept its bombs that would do more damage than the neutron bomb. Quite a coup for the east. Any pressure the greenies put on the USSR stopped at the border. The whole thing was a joke to the Kremlin. All those fools who believed in democracy in the west and they couldnt even deploy weapons to defend themselves better, the greenies wouldnt allow it.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 12:38 pm
@okie,
Okie continues to forget that even though he thinks Oklahoma is the center of the Universe it isn't the entire globe.

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Has it been cold along the eastern U.S.? Yes, 5–11°F below average for the 30-day period between 17 December 2010 to 15 January 2011. During that same time, however, northeastern Canada witnessed surface temperatures from 16 to greater than 38°F above average – for 30 days! Recall that in my write-up of NASA’s and NOAA’s global temperature analysis for 2010, both agencies identified December as being among the warmest Decembers on record globally.

parados
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 12:42 pm
@Ionus,
When you find the 3o year period that saw a decrease in the stock market, could you tell us when that was?

Long term trends are not the same thing as making short term bets on the market.

I can predict with some accuracy that you still won't understand the difference between your relying on the sun cycle while saying no one can predict anything accurately if they can't tell you what will happen on a specific day.
okie
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 03:24 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Okie continues to forget that even though he thinks Oklahoma is the center of the Universe it isn't the entire globe.
Quote:
Has it been cold along the eastern U.S.? Yes, 5–11°F below average for the 30-day period between 17 December 2010 to 15 January 2011. During that same time, however, northeastern Canada witnessed surface temperatures from 16 to greater than 38°F above average – for 30 days! Recall that in my write-up of NASA’s and NOAA’s global temperature analysis for 2010, both agencies identified December as being among the warmest Decembers on record globally.
Can you demonstrate that those climate stations in northeast Canada are delivering credible data, parados? Surely, there has been no cherrypicking of data, has there?
 

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