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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 11:45 am
@ican711nm,
For Christ sake! He is giving opinions, not presenting facts. There's nothing to prove or disprove.

Not only that, the National Weather Association is a professional organization that gives approval to people who read the weather on TV. It is not a meteorological organization, you don't have to have a degree or be any sort of scientist. It's a little thing to slap on your resume and nothing more.

Cycloptichorn

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okie
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 12:30 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

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all he does is give his OPINION. Which, as he isn't a scientist, is an uninformed one.
You have made a rather silly assumption. Show us how much he knows. How do you know he doesnt have a very well informed opinion ?

It seems entirely reasonable that he would be much more informed than many posters here that blindly support the globabl warmers agenda, Ionus. Who knows the expertise here if any, are they political hacks, lawyers, shoe salesmen, whatever? I don't know of many scientists here, and the ones that are, they are mostly global warming skeptics I think.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 10 Sep, 2010 09:27 am
THE AVERAGE AND MEAN ANNUAL GLOBAL TEMPERATURES INCREASED ABOUT 1°C (1.8°F) IN THE LAST 100 YEARS.
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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb
As of December 20, 2007, more than 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the alleged UN IPCC "consensus" on man-made global warming.
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Statistician Dr. Richard Mackey authored a 2007 peer-reviewed study which found that the solar system regulates the earth's climate. The paper was published August 17, 2007 in the Journal of Coastal Research - Excerpt: "According to the findings reviewed in this paper, the variable output of the sun, the sun's gravitational relationship between the earth (and the moon) and earth's variable orbital relationship with the sun, regulate the earth's climate. The processes by which the sun affects the earth show periodicities on many time scales; each process is stochastic and immensely complex." (LINK) & (LINK)

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New York's WABC-TV Senior Meteorologist Bill Evans, who has won the Outstanding Meteorologist Award from the National Weather Service and hosted the National Hurricane Conference, expressed man-made global warming skepticism in 2007. "There is climate change. The planet is warming. But we're coming off an ice age. So you would expect naturally the planet is warming," Evans said in an interview on Fox News Channel on August 19, 2007. "There's really no data to just show that man is causing the warming in the atmosphere or contributing to the mass of CO2 that's in the atmosphere. We are seeing changes in the planet, but the planet changes all the time," Evans said. (LINK)

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Nuclear physicist Dr. Dennis Jensen, a PhD-trained scientist and a former researcher for Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Organization (CSIRO) and the Defence Science and Technology Organization (DSTO), questioned man-made climate fears in 2007. "It has been found that warming is occurring on Pluto, Mars, Jupiter and Triton," Jensen said on February 27, 2007. "The last time I looked, there were no evil greenhouse gas belching industries on those planets, subplanets and moons," he said, which clearly indicated that increased solar activity was a significant factor," Jensen explained. He also noted that studies of ice core data reveals that warming precedes rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere. "In other words, it would be more correct to say that temperature changes cause CO2 concentration changes," he said. (LINK)

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Environmental scientist and flood hydrologist Robert Ellison, an expert on environmental risk assessment, the movement of pollutants through soils, water, and the atmosphere, and hydrology and hydraulics, noted the impact of natural climate factors on warming temperatures. "We have moved into a cool (referring to sea surface temperatures) La Niña Phase of the Pacific Decadal Variation - this should lead to lower global surface temperatures over a couple of decades. The lack of increase in average surface temperature over a decade certainly suggests that there is some other process in play - it is fitting the pattern of ENSO variation," Ellison wrote to EPW on December 17, 2007. "Superimposed on the alternation of La Niña and El Niño are longer- term variations in the frequency and intensity of El Niño and La Niña. A period of more frequent and intense La Niña between the mid forties and 1975 was followed by more frequent and intense El Niño between 1976 and 1998. The pattern appears in centuries of proxy data - that is in tree and coral rings, sedimentation and rainfall and flood records," Ellison wrote on November 28, 2007 in a commentary titled "ENSO Variation and Global Warming." "Global surface temperatures have a similar trajectory. Falling from 1946 to 1975, rising between 1976 and 1998 and declining since," Ellison explained. "It is difficult to explain how ENSO variations have been neglected by so many for so long. ENSO involves 97% of greenhouse gases. The surface temperature impacts are significant. Note the 0.25 0C difference between 1998 and 2000. ENSO variation goes in both directions. The indications are that ENSO variation added to global surface temperatures between 1976 and 1998. It has been almost 10 years since temperatures peaked in1998. The planet may continue to be cooler over the next few decades as a cool La Niña phase of ENSO emerges," he concluded. (LINK)

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Dr. Klaus P. Heiss formerly of Princeton University and Mathematica, and a space engineer who has worked with NASA, the US Atomic Energy Commission and the Office of Naval Research. Heiss received the NASA Public Service award for unique contributions to the US Space Program and is a member of the International Astronautics Academy. Heiss dissented from what he termed the “alleged climate catastrophe” in 2007. “The 20th Century increased the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere continuously. Man-made CO 2 grew exponentially; however, global temperatures fell between 1940 and 1975, during the time span as the global industrial production almost exploded. Then [temperatures] rose strongly to 1990 and they have since stagnated, with the exception of El-Nino 1998 – at roughly the same level, although CO 2 emissions are still rising,” Heiss wrote in a September 7, 2007 commentary titled “No Reason For Hysteria.” “The entire atmospheric carbon dioxide, of which man-made CO 2 is only a fraction of, is not to blame for global warming,” Klaus explained. “Carbon dioxide is not responsible for the warming of the global climate over the last 150 years. But what then? For more than 90 percent are changes in the Earth-Sun relationship to the climate fluctuations. One is the sun's activities themselves, such as the recently discovered 22-year-cycles occur and sunspots,” Heiss continued. “Looking at the climate history of our planet, it is clear to see - and quite reassuring with regard to the possible consequences of global warming as predicted by the IPCC -- that we are now (more precisely, in the last two to three million years ago) in a very cold climate period. Any warming would give us only the best long-term climate of the last 560 million years back,” he added. “Moreover, despite all the proposed measures and their enormous costs, most professional economic studies indicate that warmer times are generally better,” he concluded. (translated) (LINK)

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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 10 Sep, 2010 06:54 pm
@okie,
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are they political hacks, lawyers, shoe salesmen, whatever?
I strongly suspect they are snake oil salesmen on a new "big dirty".
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2010 02:03 pm
HOW CAN ONE TELL WHO ARE REALLY POLITICAL HACKS?

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
Average Annual Global Temperature 1850-2010.

During the 100 year period, 1910 to 2010, the average annual global temperature increased about 1°C (1.8°F).

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/global-jan-dec-error-bar-pg.gif

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/global-jan-dec-error-bar-pg.gif
Jan-Dec Global Mean Temperature over Land & Ocean

During the 100 year period, 1910 to 2010, the mean annual global temperature increased about 1°C (1.8°F).

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 06:31 pm
@parados,
Parados, you don't know whether or not Chris Allen is a meterorologist. You don't know "he has no formal training in weather forecasting." Why do you characterize him other than what he claims to be?

You appear to have have no formal training in weather forecasting. Why do you make claims you know little or nothing about?

I bet I know why!
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 01:13 am
Chris Allen on his own website admitted he had no college training and wasn't a meteorologist, ican. You don't think his own word is good enough about what he is?
parados
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 05:49 am
@ican711nm,
ican..
If anyone included me in a list of "prominent scientists" then you could argue that I wasn't one. But if you want to claim Chris Allen is a "prominent scientist" then you have no rational basis to claim I am not.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 08:09 am
Inhofe and Morano engaged in some pretty heavy-duty resume inflation on some of the alleged "scientists" on their list. Allen is one of the inflatees. I can't say that I find his reasoning that global warming can't be going on because god wouldn't do something like that to us to be particularly compelling.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:28 am
@parados,
Parados, you don't know whether or not Chris Allen is a meterorologist. You don't know "he has no formal training in weather forecasting." Why do you characterize him other than what he claims to be?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:53 am
ALLEN CLAIMS HE'S NOT A METEOROLOGIST, ican. What do you find hard to understand about his own statement?
parados
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:56 am
@MontereyJack,
MJ,

Ican knows what people really mean.
Allen claims he isn't a meteorologist so that is evidence to ican that he IS one.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 12:57 pm
I did not claim Chris Allen was a meterologist. My source made that claim:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb
I'll believe my source and not you leftist liberals, unless you can provide real evidence to support your claim Allen is not a meterologist.
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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb
As of December 20, 2007, more than 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the alleged UN IPCC "consensus" on man-made global warming.

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Meteorologist Chris Allen of Kentucky Fox affiliate WBKO dismissed what he termed "consensus nonsense" on global warming. "But, just because major environmental groups, big media and some politicians are buying this hook, line and sinker doesn't mean as a TV weatherperson I am supposed to act as a puppy on a leash and follow along," Allen said in his blog titled "Still Not Convinced" on February 7, 2007. "All of this (global warming alarmism) is designed to get your money and then guilt you in to how you live your life," Allen explained. Allen has the Seal of Approval of the National Weather Association. "As I have stated before, not only do I believe global climate change exists - it has always existed. There have been times of global warming and cooling," Allen concluded. (LINK) "If there is a consensus among scientists about man-made global warming, then at what temperature would they all agree the earth should be before they say global warming no longer exists? The answer - there is not a scientific consensus and will never be. And if there were one, they would not agree as to what temperature the earth needs to be ‘normal' again," Allen wrote in another blog post on June 5, 2007. (LINK)
parados
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 01:58 pm
@ican711nm,
If we can show to you that Chris Allen isn't a meteorologist will you stop posting from a source that is lying to you?
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:48 pm
@MontereyJack,
So now we have your claim about his claim....do you know how untenable that is in a court of law ?
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:50 pm
@parados,
Will there be any forth coming criticisms of the others and their credentials or is your argument going to use the statistical approach of one ?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:51 pm
@Ionus,
Since it's posted by someone who claims to be him, on a public site, which is run by his employer, what do you think?
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:52 pm
@parados,
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If we can show to you that Chris Allen isn't a meteorologist will you stop posting from a source that is lying to you?
We have dealt with the lies, information shredding and refusal to release raw data before....oh, wait, that was your side wasnt it ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:53 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Since it's posted by someone who claims to be him, on a public site, which is run by his employer, what do you think?
I think you should provide a statement from the man himself...a first hand ref.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 12:02 am
@Ionus,
I live in a different law system - that would be enough under Roman Law.
(Is a personal blog a second hand ref?)

But we aren't in a court here or talking about such, isn't it?
 

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