Here is a very alarming report.
Most Arctic sea ice 'gone in decade'
By Tom Lowe, Press Association
Thursday, 15 October 2009
No commercial vessel has ever successfully travelled the North-east Passage, a fabled Arctic Sea route that links the Atlantic Ocean and the Pacific far more directly than the usual southerly cargo route.
The Arctic Ocean will be an "open sea" almost entirely free from ice within a decade, the latest data released today indicates.
Ice cover during the summer months will have entirely disappeared within 20 years, but most of the decrease will happen before 2020, leaving the Arctic Ocean clear for marine transport.
The Catlin Arctic Survey, completed earlier this year by a team led by explorer Pen Hadow, is the latest research into the condition of Arctic ice.
Video: Arctic ice cap to vanish
Drilling and observation figures obtained during a 450km route across the northern part of the Beaufort Sea suggest the area is almost entirely made up of young, "first-year" ice, whereas the region traditionally consists of older, thicker "multi-year" ice.
Peter Wadhams, Professor of Ocean Physics and Head of the Polar Physics Group, has spearheaded the team analysing the results.
He said: "The summer ice cover in the Arctic will completely vanish in 20 to 30 years time. There won't be any sea ice there at all
Video: Arctic ice cap to vanish
"In much less time than that, the ice in summer will be shrinking back to this last bastion north of Greenland and Ellesmere Island, so within a decade we will see a largely ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer.
"It won't be very long before we have to start thinking of the Arctic as an open sea. Man has taken the lid off the northern end of his planet and we can't put that lid back on again.
"There will be a small enough area left that you can regard the Arctic Ocean as open as far as transport is concerned for instance
"You'll be able to sail across the Arctic Ocean from Bering Strait to the Atlantic without any hindrance."
--independent.com.UK
@ican711nm,
You people on the right keep marching out those infamous 400 scientists, who are virtually unknown for the most part. Thousands of scientists have signed letters and petitions stating the opposite of them.
@Advocate,
By last count the number of scientists has grown to 460.
But that's merely scientific opinion.
What really counts is the trend in average global temperature. Currently, it is decreasing. See the UPDATED CURRENT graphs I posted.
US Special Envoy for Climate Change Todd Stern warns that it is "certainly possible that there won't be a deal" at the Copenhagen climate change summit in December.
Transcript of tv-interview
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
US Special Envoy for Climate Change Todd Stern warns that it is "certainly possible that there won't be a deal" at the Copenhagen climate change summit in December.....
Well Walter, some of us worry less about that possibility than the rest of us
It seems to me that those who are not concerned with the increasing global warming are traitors to the planet.
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:It seems to me that those who are not concerned with the increasing global warming are traitors to the planet.
More correctly, "those who are not concerned with the increasing global warming," are knowledgeable of the fact that the globe hasn't been warming in the last 10 years. In fact the globe has been cooling despite the steady increase of CO2 density in the atmosphere over the same period. Those who refuse to accept and deal rationally with this fact are "traitors" to reason.
@ican711nm,
It is too bad that you are oblivious to fact and reason when it goes against your blind adherence to right-wing ideology. Perhaps medical research will come up with a cure for this.
Here is some evidence supporting the existence of global warming.
http://www.ecobridge.org/content/g_evd.htm
@Advocate,
Yes, the globe has been warming 1909 - 2001.
Yes, the globe has been cooling 2001 - 2009.
But human caused emissions of CO2 into the atmosphere are not responsible for either.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
Average Annual Global Temperature 1850-2009
The sun is the primary cause of the heating of the globe. By virtue of the fact that the oceans contain a high concentration of CO2, and that heating of the globe causes more rapid evaporation of ocean water, the sun is the primary cause of CO2 in the atmosphere. Human caused emissions of CO2 into the atmosphere are trivial in comparison to the CO2 emitted from ocean evaporation.
@Advocate,
Quote:
"Here is a very alarming report."
Why is that alarming ? Do you think sea ice has been there forever ? It has melted many times in the past. Once it covered the whole Atlantic. Should we go back to that ?
@Advocate,
Quote:
"It seems to me that those who are not concerned with the increasing global warming are traitors to the planet. "
What if I dont like whales because they are fat dumb and stupid..am I a traitor then too ? Or if I think to hell with the white bear, lets save the black child...am I a traitor ? When you say "concerned", do you mean so emotionally biased that it has religious proprortions ? If you want to be concerned about something shouldnt it be real first ? I think anyone who wants to spend money to prevent global warming is a traitor to the poor and is misusing resources better spent on reality.
@Advocate,
Quote:
"It is too bad that you are oblivious to fact and reason when it goes against your blind adherence to right-wing ideology. Perhaps medical research will come up with a cure for this."
And we could say it is too bad you are oblivious to fact and reason when it goes against your blind obedience to left-wing ideology. I know medical science wont come up with a cure for it.
@Ionus,
The higher seas will negatively affect about 25 % of the world's population. Thus, we don't want to accelerate the process, which is what we are currently doing by dissolving untold billions of barrels of oil and tons of coal into the atmosphere.
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
Quote:
"It seems to me that those who are not concerned with the increasing global warming are traitors to the planet. "
What if I dont like whales because they are fat dumb and stupid..am I a traitor then too ? Or if I think to hell with the white bear, lets save the black child...am I a traitor ? When you say "concerned", do you mean so emotionally biased that it has religious proprortions ? If you want to be concerned about something shouldnt it be real first ? I think anyone who wants to spend money to prevent global warming is a traitor to the poor and is misusing resources better spent on reality.
Your reality is not mine. And my preferences don't match yours. Sorry, but I think you and your ilk are traitors to the earth.
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:Your reality is not mine. And my preferences don't match yours. Sorry, but I think you and your ilk are traitors to the earth.
"Your reality is not mine. And my preferences don't match yours. Sorry, but I think you and your ilk are traitors to the" HUMAN RACE.
@Advocate,
I know it, Advocate....it's our ancestors the chimps from 30 million years ago and their precursors to early paleolithic SUVs - look at this map, ice sheets hundreds of miles thick used to stretch all the way south of Kansas City, Missouri.....>
http://www.scotese.com/lastice.htm
> but since this has been going on for 30 million years now, what do YOU propose to do different?!
@High Seas,
Increase taxes of course.
