Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

Spendius, recent news from China states that they are building a new coal fired plant every day. Furthermore, the Chinese and India have sent messages that they will not conform to the so called lowering of so called pollution at the upcoming December climate sessions UNLESS the US and other countries give a half percent of their yearly GDP. They claim, that, after all, they are a developing country and it is not fair for them to have to cripple their industries unless properly compensated.

China plans 440-bln dlr stimulus for green energy
May 24, 2009

BEIJING (AFP) " China is planning a stimulus package worth 440 billion dollars to expand its renewable energy use, state media said, as the country aims to rely more on cleaner ways to power its growth.

The three trillion yuan (439.7 billion dollars) investment will see part of the focus on wind power, the Beijing Morning Post said, citing Liang Zhipeng, a State Energy Administration official.

The government has collected opinions from local economic planning agencies and relevant companies about a draft plan, Liang said, according to the report.

Under the plan, China's wind power capacity will reach over 100 gigawatts by 2020, the report said, more than triple a goal of 30 gigawatts announced in 2007 in a renewable energy development plan.

Zhou Xi'an, a director general at the State Energy Administration, said last week China aimed to boost the share of renewable energy, excluding hydro power, to six percent of its overall energy use by 2020, from the current 1.5 percent.

geddit?

If ci. hasn't told you that you are stupid and a complete idiot and that you don't understand evolution theory or the American constitution then I reckon you are more or less unemployable.

China Outpaces U.S. in Cleaner Coal-Fired Plants
By KEITH BRADSHER Via NYtimes.com
May 12, 2009

TIANJIN, China " China’s frenetic construction of coal-fired power plants has raised worries around the world about the effect on climate change. China now uses more coal than the United States, Europe and Japan combined, making it the world’s largest emitter of gases that are warming the planet.

But largely missing in the hand-wringing is this: China has emerged in the past two years as the world’s leading builder of more efficient, less polluting coal power plants, mastering the technology and driving down the cost.

While the United States is still debating whether to build a more efficient kind of coal-fired power plant that uses extremely hot steam, China has begun building such plants at a rate of one a month.

Construction has stalled in the United States on a new generation of low-pollution power plants that turn coal into a gas before burning it, although Energy Secretary Steven Chu said Thursday that the Obama administration might revive one power plant of this type. But China has already approved equipment purchases for just such a power plant, to be assembled soon in a muddy field here in Tianjin.
http://china-environmental-news.blogspot.com/2009/05/china-outpaces-us-in-cleaner-coal-fired.html

Wind power and other renewable fuels will barely scratch the surface for the needs of China's billion + people, however, and they are building coal fired plants like crazy. They have developed cleaner technology to burn the coal, however, which the USA could do also if the environmental wackos would just work with commerce and industry instead of saying no to everything.

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Wind power and other renewable fuels will barely scratch the surface for the needs of China's billion + people, however, and they are building coal fired plants like crazy. They have developed cleaner technology to burn the coal, however, which the USA could do also if the environmental wackos would just work with commerce and industry instead of saying no to everything.

Oh pleease, it has been industry and government who have acted to make sure that American coal generating plants are not up to world standards. They claim that they did due diligence when they went to western coal and stopped using the more dirty Appalachian coal. Great, we moved forward, but we are at @ 1990 standards. It is not party time yet, the work is far from finished.

Spendius, recent news from China states that they are building a new coal fired plant every day. Furthermore, the Chinese and India have sent messages that they will not conform to the so called lowering of so called pollution at the upcoming December climate sessions UNLESS the US and other countries give a half percent of their yearly GDP. They claim, that, after all, they are a developing country and it is not fair for them to have to cripple their industries unless properly compensated.

Zurich researchers have calculated that Swiss glaciers contain the equivalent of around two thirds of the water in Lake Geneva.
But they also found that glaciers in the country have lost 12 per cent of their volume over the last decade.

The last decade, considered the warmest in 150 years, saw Swiss glaciers loose nine cubic kilometres of ice, or 12 per cent against 1999 levels. The study found that glaciers back then held 74 cubic km of ice.
Lake Geneva currently has a water volume of 89 cubic km.

>Report< by ETH Zürich via Science Centric

Any data on snowfall in that area during the last 10 years, Walter? This is what I mean when I mentioned the fact that precipitation is routinely ignored when people talk about glaciers losing size. It could be a function of reduced snowfall, or at least in part due to that?

Since 1988 the number of "snow days" in the plateau has gone down by over half, according to a study published in the science magazine Geophysical Research Letters last year.

The decline in snow days has not been a steady process, but seems to occur in steps.

"For the 40 years from 1948 to 87 we have a relatively constant level of snow days. And at the end of the 80s we have a drop and since then it's again been more or less constant."
Analysis of data from Italy, Austria, Germany and France indicates that similar patterns are to be found elsewhere in Europe.
And as temperatures rise, the altitude at which rain replaces snow will rise too.

Although at certain points in history it is known that temperatures were higher than they are now, Marty does not believe that the phenomena he has observed are simply part of a cyclical process.

"Theoretically it is possible, but the probability is very low if we believe in climate change and we know about greenhouse gases. We know it takes about a thousand years before the effect of the greenhouse gases is more or less eliminated."

His advice is unequivocal.

"The only thing we can do is to emit less greenhouse gases. We know we can't do anything about the next 20 years because what will happen regarding warming during the next 20 years is already in the air."

So do you agree that if snowfall decreases and temperatures stay the same, glaciers would probably recede?

It appears from your report of decreased snow days that snowfall has probably decreased. Although anecdeotal evidence, it is at leats evidence. Temperatures may have also risen slightly, but it should be pointed out that snowfall may be a factor just as important if not moreso than temperature.

Also, you have chastised me, I think, unless I am mixing up posters, for posting about Central England temps, telling me that it is a very small area of the world, but here you post something about an area just as small or perhaps smaller?

and belong to nations whose fortunes will soon be swallowed up by immigrant Muslims.

Republicans by nearly three-to-one say global warming is caused by planetary trends, while Democrats believe human activity is to blame by the same margin.