Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

@High Seas,

That isn't what the Sun was talking about High Seas..
They were referring to this..
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/dyp172v1

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Science doesn't care about "convincing people. They care about the observable facts. Those facts point to warming. No reasonable scientist denies the globe has warmed for the last 150 years.

Yes, reasonable scientists do deny "the globe has warmed for the last 150 years."

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif

Average Annual Global Temperature 1850-2008

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb

As of December 20, 2007, over 400 prominent scientists--not a minority of those scientists who have published their views on global warming--from more than two dozen countries have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the alleged UN IPCC "consensus" on man-made global warming.

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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport#report

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Emmy award-winning Chief Meteorologist for an NBC affiliate Bill Meck, who has earned Seals of Approval from both the American Meteorological Society and the National Weather Association, questioned the notion that there is a scientific "consensus" about global warming. "If the science is ‘clear,' and there is no more ‘debate,' why is there still a tremendous amount of our tax dollars being allocated to research (and a PR campaign for that matter)? We don't still go around researching why the Earth is round, or why the sky is blue. If it's a done deal, why are folks still trying to justify or prove it?" Meck asked in a February 13, 2007 blog. (LINK) Meck, who produced a TV series called the "Global Warming Myth," praised the March 13, 2007 article in the New York Times for debunking much of the science presented in Gore's An Inconvenient Truth. "There are many wonderful nuggets of information to pull from [the New York Times article], but file away the bits about how there may not be the ‘consensus of scientists' you so often hear about. Also check the info toward the end about the natural climate cycles. That is my contention all along. There have been natural climate cycles, always have, always will," Meck explained in a March 12, 2007 blog. "Also take note how there are very few times when the temperature hangs around the ‘average', it's either warm or cold balancing out as an ‘average'. Our current warming began at the end of the Little Ice Age, just over 100 years ago, when it was REALLY cold. Our current warm spell is simply balancing it out. Now go enjoy the 70's in March, guilt free!" he wrote. (LINK)

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@parados,

parados wrote:

The problem with your scenario is you assume that non carbon energy production is much more costly than carbon based. Something that may not be true in 5 years or 20 years.

I don't see any problem at all and it looks like you agree with me that non carbon energy production is more costly. I would certainly be happy if it were cheaper in 5 or 20 years.

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@ican711nm,

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Yes, reasonable scientists do deny "the globe has warmed for the last 150 years."

In case you missed it ican, the stuff you posted shows that science thinks it warmed over the last 150 years.

A TV weatherman is your idea of a "reasonable scientist"? If that is the case ican, I can't help you. However. No reasonable scientist that studies or does work in climate change denies that it has warmed. You constantly post the evidence that it has warmed yet you deny the very evidence you post.

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Global Warming is a FRAUD!

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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Yes, reasonable scientists do deny "the globe has warmed for the last 150 years."

In case you missed it ican, the stuff you posted shows that science thinks it warmed over the last 150 years.

A TV weatherman is your idea of a "reasonable scientist"? If that is the case ican, I can't help you. However. No reasonable scientist that studies or does work in climate change denies that it has warmed. You constantly post the evidence that it has warmed yet you deny the very evidence you post.

Again from a layman's perspective, the graphs Ican has posted appear to indicate a net warming trend for the last 150 years or so, not at all unusual on a global climate scale. Most scientists agree such a trend has occurred since the medieval so-called "Little Ice Age". Certainly such trends occur on a much broader scale following each true ice age.

But that same 150 years has been interrupted by frequent cooling trends too, one of which appears to be occurring now. To draw firm or even mostly firm conclusions re implications of global warming based on a few decades or a hundred years of climate history is labeled 'irresponsible' by many distinguished scientists who are experts in their fields. Evenmoreso, it is irresponsible to consider only factors convenient to a desired conclusion while dismissing all factors that would mitigate such conclusion.

And a television weatherman may or may not have a degree related to meteorology--most do these days--but it is a fairly good bet to believe that such persons have more training in this subject than you or I do.

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@parados,

Thank you Parados - the Sun's bibliographical editor should be fired, assuming he existed, which is doubtful. Whether published in Oxford Journals or The Lancet (and the content of the articles is very similar) the fact remains obesity is a burden not only on those afflicted but, via a number of other mechanisms, on the planet as a whole; wouldn't go as far as to claim it causes "global warming", though.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Global Warming is a FRAUD!

Global Warming is definitely happening (it's been going on for 30k years), what's uncertain is how much humans are contributing to the overall warming (in recent years obviously).

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979 wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
Global Warming is a FRAUD!

Global Warming is definitely happening (it's been going on for 30k years), what's uncertain is how much humans are contributing to the overall warming (in recent years obviously).

Human activities have an insignificant effect on the planets temperature... probably no effect at all.

What is clear and indisputable is that the sun effects the planets temperature swings.

The planet is currently in a cooling trend that has seen a few warm years brought on by solar activity.

This man made global warming slogan is a FRAUD!

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Human activities have an insignificant effect on the planets temperature... probably no effect at all.

That may be true, but you don't really KNOW that, you're just saying it.

If you actually had reliable data to back up that statement, then we might have something valuable.

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This graph shows there's global cooling as well as warming occurred 1850 to the present:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif

Average Annual Global Temperature 1850-2008

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@ican711nm,

Of course there is warming and cooling but the overall trend is warming. Only a fool would claim that every day has to be warmer than the previous to show that warming has occurred over an extended period.

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Energy Update
Only 34% Now Blame Humans for Global Warming
Friday, April 17, 2009

Just one-out-of-three voters (34%) now believe global warming is caused by human activity, the lowest finding yet in Rasmussen Reports national surveying. However, a plurality (48%) of the Political Class believes humans are to blame.

Forty-eight percent (48%) of all likely voters attribute climate change to long-term planetary trends, while seven percent (7%) blame some other reason. Eleven percent (11%) aren’t sure.

These numbers reflect a reversal from a year ago when 47% blamed human activity while 34% said long-term planetary trends.

Most Democrats (51%) still say humans are to blame for global warming, the position taken by former Vice President Al Gore and other climate change activists. But 66% of Republicans and 47% of adults not affiliated with either party disagree.

Sixty-two percent (62%) of all Americans believe global warming is at least a somewhat serious problem, with 33% who say it’s Very Serious. Thirty-five percent (35%) say it’s a not a serious problem. The overall numbers have remained largely the same for several months, but the number who say Very Serious has gone down.

Forty-eight percent (48%) of Democrats say global warming is a Very Serious problem, compared to 19% of Republicans and 25% of unaffiliateds.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/environment/energy_update

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@Foxfyre,

Wasn't there a Gallup poll recently that more than half of Americans today say they believe the world isn't older than 6,000 years?

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@Walter Hinteler,

I don't know Walter. Why don't you find and post it along with your rationale for how that is a reasonable rebuttal to public opinion re global warming?

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@parados,

Of course, assuming the graphs are accurate, we have tended toward cooler tempertures since just before 2000. Granted only slightly, but definately downward. Of course, this would never make news because there are too many "experts" who would have less to base their funding requests on if this cooling trend were to continue.

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@CoastalRat,

Hi CR and welcome to our lively debate here.

That has been the biggest red flag for me all the way in this discussion. The frequent reports of incidents in which funding is denied any climate scientist who casts any doubt on anthropological global warming creates a big question mark for me as to the reliability of those scientific charts and graphs supposed to illustrate AGW.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

I don't know Walter. Why don't you find and post it along with your rationale for how that is a reasonable rebuttal to public opinion re global warming?

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@Foxfyre,

I imagine that in about 10 years, when the above graphs show the temp has continued to decline back to the base line of those graphs, that there will still be some insisting that the planet is still warming and that humans are causing it.

Warming and cooling trends have always occured, and I think we are foolish to believe that we have much to do with it either way.

Of course, that is my opinion. And there was that one time many years ago that I was proven wrong about something, so there is precedent for my being wrong. Just not likely. Wink

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I don't know Walter. Why don't you find and post it along with your rationale for how that is a reasonable rebuttal to public opinion re global warming?

Well you're the one who brought it up again, so I was just asking if you had any basis for the comment and whether it made a point re global warming or climate change or whatever you want to call it.

And who said the US public opinion is the basis for such discussion? I didn't. Rasmussen didn't. So far as I know, nobody else has either. What makes you so sensitive on that subject? You're certainly able to give the German perspective if you think it should be included.

Rasmussen is an American who provides insights into the American pulse on all timely issues. Perhaps somebody in Germany does it for Germans too. I wouldn't expect that German pollster to include American opinion when he was polling Germans, however. And I think it would be very arrogant to assume that Rasmusen is somehow wrong because he provides, for American consumption, those opinions held by Americans.

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