Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

I will try again, Walter, do I have your permission to post annual temperatures, weather averages for the year, from England, on this thread, or is that not allowed? Does it apply to this climate discussion, or does it have nothing at all to do with it? I will be here anxiously awaiting your decision, ruling, whatever. Take as much time as you think you need. If you cannot come up with an answer, thats okay too, but please let me know one way or the other, so I can become a better poster here.

Central England isn't in England? Or am I not permitted to call that part of England?

know that it does not relate to climate at all, according to Walter.]/quote]
I didn't add anything to those definitions. But when you look at your source: they use the very same.

ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_mlo.txt
http://biocab.org/Solar_Irradiance_is_Actually_Increasing.html
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt
YEAR | CAD is up | SI is down | ANOMALY of AAGT is down|
1998 367.61 1366.11 ............... 0.546
1999 368.59 1366.39 ............... 0.296
2000 370.33 1366.67 ............... 0.270
2001 371.83 1366.40 ............... 0.409
2002 374.45 1366.37 ............... 0.464
2003 376.71 1366.07 ............... 0.473
2004 378.23 1365.91 ............... 0.447
2005 380.78 1365.81 ............... 0.482
2006 382.55 1365.72 ............... 0.422
2007 384.60 1365.66 ............... 0.405
2008 386.20 1365.60 ............... 0.324

And what scientific method did you use to determine that statement (i.e., ANOMALY of AAGT is down)?

The AGW advocates allow themselves the luxury of posting article after article showing that such and such place had the warmest year on record, etc. as smug evidence that global warming is real and happening, but you are not allowed to do the same as a basis to consider that maybe global warming is overblown.

Arctic ice melt accelerating, scientists say

(AXcess News) Reno - Scientists say the Arctic ice is melting at a faster pace than previously thought and now believe the Arctic Ocean could be completely ice-free by 2015.

Benoit Beauchamp, executive director of the Arctic Institute of North America at the University of Calgary was quoted in an interview as saying "2007 and 2008 have been record years in terms of ice melting in the Arctic."

Beauchamp says the rate of ice melt is forcing scientists to revise earlier estimates.

Global warming and shifting wind patterns are adding to the rate at which the ice in the Arctic is melting.

Temperatures are increasing, which is causing the ice to melt much faster, but shifting winds are also affecting the ice between Greenland and Iceland, which are adding to the declining polar ice cap.

While ice could disappear throughout the entire Arctic Ocean during the summer, winter months would create new ice.

Beauchamp says the downward trend is based on computer models, though it could show some recovery in 2009.

Arctic ice melting faster than predicted: expert

Last Updated: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 | 2:46 PM CBC News
Scientists say the Arctic ice is melting much faster than they predicted. Global warming and changing winds may mean Santa Claus is going to need a new summer home sooner than expected.

Scientists now project that the North Pole and the entire Arctic Ocean could be ice-free during the summer months as early as 2015.

The speed at which the polar ice cap has been melting has forced scientists to revise earlier predictions, said Benoit Beauchamp, executive director of the Arctic Institute of North America at the University of Calgary.

Beauchamp told CBC News that "2007 and 2008 have been record years in terms of ice melting in the Arctic."

"Although it might come back a bit more in 2009, the trend is downward and it's actually much faster than what is predicted by these computer models," he said.

Besides global warming, changing wind systems are forcing more ice out of the Arctic Ocean between Greenland and Iceland, adding to the declining ice cap, he said.

While the rate at which the polar ice cap is shrinking in the summer seems to be accelerating, he said, the ocean will still remain frozen over in the winter months.

You cite 12 years then only highlight 4 in your "inspection".

Garbage in, garbage spewed out again and again from you.

ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_mlo.txt
http://biocab.org/Solar_Irradiance_is_Actually_Increasing.html
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt
YEAR | CAD is up | SI is down | ANOMALY of AAGT is down|
1998 ..... 367.61 ..... 1366.11 ............... 0.546
1999 ..... 368.59 ..... 1366.39 ............... 0.296
2000 ..... 370.33 ..... 1366.67 ............... 0.270
2001 ..... 371.83 ..... 1366.40 ..... 0.409
2002 ..... 374.45 ..... 1366.37 ..... 0.464
2003 ..... 376.71 ..... 1366.07 ..... 0.473
2004 ..... 378.23 ..... 1365.91 ..... 0.447
2005 ..... 380.78 ..... 1365.81 ..... 0.482
2006 ..... 382.55 ..... 1365.72 ..... 0.422
2007 ..... 384.60 ..... 1365.66 ..... 0.405
2008 ..... 386.20 ..... 1365.60 ..... 0.324

http://knol.google.com/k/the-judge/antarctic-sea-ice-antarctica/14g5pj4cyuk5u/1044

Antarctic Sea Ice, Antarctica Anarctic Ice Sheet
While recent studies have shown that on the whole Arctic sea ice has decreased since the late 1970s, satellite records of sea ice around Antarctica reveal an overall increase in the southern hemisphere ice over the same period.
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the DOE has been questioned why they cannot be more precise in their predictions - a variance of 1 - 6 degrees is rather large .
however , even a 1 degree increase in "world temperature" will likely have a major adverse impact upon the arctic ice mass .

this is their response :

Quote:

Why is there more than a 5°C range in the amount of global warming projected?
Response: Any projection of climate change carries an associated uncertainty, which arises from two primary sources: i) inadequacies in climate model performance due to computing power limitations and inadequate scientific understanding and/or representation of climate processes and variability within these models; and ii) the inherent uncertainty in the demographic and socio-economic factors that determine future emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols in the atmosphere. When these scientific and demographic uncertainties are combined in model simulations, they result in a range of more than 5°C in the magnitude of likely warming projected for 2100, extending from the most optimistic IPCC projection of a 1.1°C warming to its most pessimistic projection of a 6.4°C warming.

Explanation: One of the primary reasons for uncertainty is scientific. For example, inadequate understanding of atmospheric and oceanic processes and/or limitations in how these can be described in mathematical terms that can be simulated by climate models limit the accuracy of any estimate of the climate response to radiative forcing. Limited computing power, which forces modellers to choose between lower resolution and a simpler mathematical description of climate processes, is also an important factor. As a result, different climate models used in projecting future climates employ various ways to formulate important components like clouds or sea ice, which can lead to different estimates of climate variables.

The second primary cause for uncertainty in future climate projections is the predictability of future emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols. Such emissions are determined by how rapidly human populations and economies will grow in future decades, how efficiently societies will use energy, the type of energy they use and how human use of land is likely to change. These are uncertainties about future social behaviour, rather than about the climate system. During the first half of the 21st century, the scientific uncertainty associated with climate modelling is the primary cause of uncertainty in climate projections. However, the uncertainty in demographic behaviour and related implications for emission scenarios dominate the uncertainties for the second half of the century.