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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2008 06:15 pm
@ican711nm,
Many things "appear to imply" these days ican. One should beware of them. They can give your head a right ******* over.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2008 11:38 am
@ican711nm,
Quote:

http://co2.cms.udel.edu/Increasing_Atmospheric_CO2.htm
Using a combination of modern and historic data, scientists estimate that humans have sent a total of 305 billion metric tons of carbon into the atmosphere since 1751; half of these emissions have occurred since the mid-1970s (Figure 3).

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[PLEASE CLICK ON THE ABOVE LINK TO SEE]
Figure 3: Annual emissions of carbon to the atmosphere from 1751 to 2003 due to anthropogenic (human-caused) sources, primarily from fossil-fuel burning. Plotted using data from CDIAC website (see References section for information).
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Today, atmospheric CO2 levels are 25% greater than at any time in the past 420,000 years. Human activities, primarily the burning of fossil fuels, but also including land-use activities, are responsible for the increase.

There has been considerable research and analysis of increased atmospheric CO2 and global warming; see section on “Climate Change”. About half of the recent emissions are not accumulating in the atmosphere, but are going into the ocean and, to a lesser extent, into soils. These are considered “sinks” in the global carbon budget because they take up atmospheric CO2. The chemistry of the ocean changes as a result of increased CO2 concentrations; this subject is further examined in the section on “Ocean Acidification”.

HOWEVER, significant increases of carbon emissions into the atmosphere didn't start to occur until about 1851. From 1851 until 1982, while the carbon emissions were increasing, average global temperature decreases and increases fluctuated significantly. Those facts appear to imply that the density of CO2 in the atmosphere has little if any effect on average global temperature.

BUT, if a group of scientists were to limit their attention to only the period 1982 to 1998, the increase in average global temperature and the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere during that period appear to imply that the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere caused the increase in average global temperature.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2008 11:45 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Many things "appear to imply" these days ican. One should beware of them. They can give your head a right ******* over.

True! So one should be careful not to infer absolute conclusions from incomplete data. That is especially true when contemplating whether to adopt very expensive solutions to curtail alleged causes and their alleged consequences that may not exist in great enough magnitude to warrant such solutions.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2008 12:17 pm


Man it's cold outside!
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2008 02:33 pm
@H2O MAN,
Maybe not enough CO2 in the atmosphere ????? ("~")
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2008 06:53 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
True! So one should be careful not to infer absolute conclusions from incomplete data.


This from the guy that keeps claiming we have cooling going on. Rolling Eyes
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2008 07:58 pm
@parados,
Parados, I said, "True! So one should be careful not to infer absolute conclusions from incomplete data."

My claim was not an ABSOLUTE conclusion about cooling since 1998. My claim was a PROBALISTIC claim.

If you were to look at my profile, you'd see I claim to be a PROBABLIST.

From from my profile:
Quote:
The only thing I bet I know for certain is that I don't know anything else for certain.

I am a probablist: One who believes certainty is probably impossible and that probability suffices to govern belief and action.


parados
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2008 08:07 pm
@ican711nm,
That's funny stuff ican...
So if you don't use the word "absolute" in your statements then you are being a "probablist"

Since I and almost everyone else here have never used the word "absolute" in any posts, that means your accusation is without merit. Or do your standards only apply to you?
okie
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2008 12:24 pm
"Cold weather sets records in several cities
Tribune staff • December 14, 2008

Several places in the state have already shattered daily record lows, and more are expected to be broken as the sub-zero temperatures continue through Sunday night.

White Sulphur Springs reported 29 degrees below zero to the National Weather Service today, stretching way beyond the last daily record low of 17 degrees below zero set in 1922.

“We’re waiting for a lot of reports to come in still,” said Scott Coulston, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Great Falls.

Other towns breaking records on Sunday were Lewistown with -25 degrees this morning (24 below was the previous record) and Dillon with 16 degrees below zero (the last record low was 15 below).

Fort Benton and Boulder tied previous record lows of 23 and 20 degrees below, respectively, and Havre and Great Falls are both on their way to shattering previous records as well.

Read Monday’s Tribune for a more comprehensive weather report.

"


http://www.greatfallstribune.com/article/20081214/NEWS01/81214005

I am sure the explanation is that this cold weather is also caused by global warming, due to the warming causing "instability" in the weather.

This is not just Montana, this weather is spreading throughout the plains, southward.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2008 02:08 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
So if you don't use the word "absolute" in your statements then you are being a "probablist"

Since I and almost everyone else here have never used the word "absolute" in any posts, that means your accusation is without merit. Or do your standards only apply to you?

You just used the word absolute! So much for your "never used."

I'm a probablist whether or not I use the word absolute.

You are probably an absolutist if you think that what you posted here is absolutely true.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2008 02:15 pm
http://co2.cms.udel.edu/Increasing_Atmospheric_CO2.htm
ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_mlo.txt
There has been a steady increase in CO2 ppm in the atmosphere:
Years Ago .. ppm
….. 20,000 …… 180
….. 10,000 ……. 230
…….… 200 ……. 290
………... 50 ….... 319
……….…. 0 ….... 386

http://co2.cms.udel.edu/Increasing_Atmospheric_CO2.htm
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
There has been a fluctuating average annual global temperature decrease/increase in degrees Fahrenheit:
Years Ago .. Degrees Fahrenheit
…… 20,000 …………… 56.0
……….. 150 ……………. 56.1
……….. 130 ……….…… 56.9
…………. 98 ……………. 56.0
…………. 68 ………….… 57.2
……….… 50 ………..….. 56.4
…………. 28 ……….…... 56.9
…………. 10 ………..….. 58.0
…………… 0 ……….…… 57.6

The average annual global temperature 1901 " 2000 = 56.9°F (13.9°C)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2008 01:26 am
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Scientists have found the first unequivocal evidence that the Arctic region is warming at a faster rate than the rest of the world at least a decade before it was predicted to happen.

Full report onlne

http://i38.tinypic.com/2n6zr4g.jpg
Source: Independent, 16.12.08, page 2
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2008 03:46 am
Today's update on climate change story Wink

According to the Times, climate change is to take the cannibalistic urges from the giant squid, one of the most ferocious predators of the sea. Apparently, warmer waters are making the creatures lethargic.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2008 11:54 am
@ican711nm,


You certainly followed what has been published by the univeristy of East Anglia (you first link above, and one of your main quoted sources.

This year will be the coolest since 1997 but still the tenth hottest in a temperature record dating back 150 years, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said on Tuesday.

The global mean temperature for 2008 was 14.3 degrees Celsius (57.7 degrees Fahrenheit), climate scientists at the UK's Met Office Hadley Center and Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, who compiled data for the WMO, said.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2008 11:55 am
@ican711nm,


You certainly followed what has been published by the univeristy of East Anglia (you first link above, and one of your main quoted sources.

Quote:
This year will be the coolest since 1997 but still the tenth hottest in a temperature record dating back 150 years, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said on Tuesday.

The global mean temperature for 2008 was 14.3 degrees Celsius (57.7 degrees Fahrenheit), climate scientists at the UK's Met Office Hadley Center and Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, who compiled data for the WMO, said.

ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2008 06:27 pm
ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_mlo.txt
DENSITY OF CO2 IN THE ATMOSPHERE--PPM

YEAR . MONTH . CO2 PPM
1997 .. 12 ... 364.89
1998 .. 12 ... 367.61
1999 .. 12 ... 368.59
2000 .. 12 ... 370.33
2001 .. 12 ... 371.83
2002 .. 12 ... 374.45
2003 .. 12 ... 376.71
2004 .. 12 ... 378.23
2005 .. 12 ... 380.78
2006 .. 12 ... 382.55
2007 .. 12 ... 384.60
2008 .. 11 ... 386.20

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http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt
AVERAGE ANNUAL GLOBAL TEMPERATURE

YEAR . MONTH . TEMPERATURE"CELSIUS
1997 0.351
1998 0.546
1999 0.296
2000 0.270
2001 0.409
2002 0.464
2003 0.473
2004 0.447
2005 0.482
2006 0.422
2007 0.405
2008 0.324*
*Average January through November
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2008 07:43 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter, please explain what specific data I presented in my previous two posts you think is invalid. Then please explain why you disagree and what specific data you have access to that you think is valid.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2008 10:16 pm
@Walter Hinteler,


The Arctic region is cooling and the ice packs are growing.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2008 10:24 pm
@H2O MAN,

According to whom?
Quote:
We are in the midst of a phase of dramatic change in the Arctic," said Ursula Schauer, the chief scientist at the Alfred Wegener Institute, who was on board the Polar Stern expedition. "The ice cover of the North Polar Sea is dwindling, the ocean and the atmosphere are becoming steadily warmer, the ocean currents are changing," she said.

One scientist came back from the North Pole and reported that it was raining there, said David Carlson, the director of International Polar Year, the effort to highlight the climate issues of the Arctic and Antarctic. "It makes you wonder whether anyone has ever reported rain at the North Pole before."

Another team of scientists monitoring the movements of Ayles Ice Island off northern Canada reported that it had broken in two far earlier than expected, a further indication of warmer temperatures. And this summer, for the first time, an American sailing boat managed to traverse the North-west Passage from Nova Scotia to Alaska, a voyage usually made by icebreakers. Never before has a sail-powered vessel managed to get straight through the usually ice-blocked sea passage.

Inhabitants of the region are also noticing a significant change as a result of warmer summers, according to Shari Gearheard, a research scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Centre. "People who live in the region are noticing changes in sea ice. The earlier break-up and later freeze-up affect when and where people can go hunting, as well as safety for travel," she said.

Mark Serreze of the National Snow and Ice Data Centre, said: "We may see an ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer within our lifetimes. The implications... are disturbing."

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/record-22c-temperatures-in-arctic-heatwave-394196.html
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 17 Dec, 2008 01:58 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



The Arctic region is cooling and the ice packs are growing.

Question

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