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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
miniTAX
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 03:37 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
However, I did go looking for something to support those numbers before bowing to what is probably your superior knowledge Smile and did find this source: ENERGY BULLETIN

Energy Bulletin publishes opinions, not neutral analysis or comprehensive data.
Look at official sources like IEA or EIA, eg here for SA & Ghawar
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 03:47 pm
"LES'T YE FORGET"

THE DISSENTS OF THE SCIENTIFIC DISSENTERS

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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 03:48 pm
miniTAX wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
However, I did go looking for something to support those numbers before bowing to what is probably your superior knowledge Smile and did find this source: ENERGY BULLETIN

Energy Bulletin publishes opinions, not neutral analysis or comprehensive data.
Look at official sources like IEA or EIA, eg here for SA & Ghawar


Thanks.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 04:19 pm
miniTAX wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

More then you, my friend, who is little more then a troll on this forum.

Yes, burning of fossil fuels creates further pollution.

Cycloptichorn
What the hell are you doing on this forum, Cycloptichorn. You're wasting time and energy using Internet powered by electricity mostly made from ... COAL (in the US). Shocked Shocked

Quick, stop further unecessary pollution, switch off. Adios, forever, nice to have talked to you. :wink:


I am a strong supporter of nuclear as well as other renewable technologies; were I provided with other options for my power generation, I would take them. In fact, though I cannot control the power usage at my place of business, I voluntarily pay a higher rate for my home power usage in order to subsidize the local wind generation facilities.

Appealing to Extremes is a poor form of argumentation.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 06:44 pm
GW is caused by ever growing numbers of liberal losers entering hell.

It's a little known fact that liberals burn much hotter than conservatives.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 08:15 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
GW is caused by ever growing numbers of liberal losers entering hell.

It's a little known fact that liberals burn much hotter than conservatives.

Raising the bar in the thread I see Kevin. Now, there's somthing to actually discuss.

Don't worry my conservative skeptics, I won't make you claim him.

T
K
O
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 08:46 pm
My shadow has appeared Cool
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 08:47 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
My shadow has appeared Cool
Your lamp appeared.

T
K
O
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 09:13 pm
Diest TKO wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
My shadow has appeared Cool
Your lamp appeared.



Walk into the light ... go to it ....
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 09:34 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
My shadow has appeared Cool
Your lamp appeared.



Walk into the light ... go to it ....


I am the lamp.

T
K
O
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 10:25 pm
Diest TKO wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
My shadow has appeared Cool
Your lamp appeared.



Walk into the light ... go to it ....


I am the lamp.



Burn baby, burn.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 10:51 pm
At an average 13.9 C, You have to go back to 1991, 17 years ago, to find a cooler average for June in Central England. And the average for the first 6 months is 0.8 C cooler than it was in 2007 in Central England, my calculator says 8.9 C as compared to 9.7 in 2007.

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cetml1659on.dat
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miniTAX
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 04:26 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I am a strong supporter of nuclear as well as other renewable technologies; were I provided with other options for my power generation, I would take them. In fact, though I cannot control the power usage at my place of business, I voluntarily pay a higher rate for my home power usage in order to subsidize the local wind generation facilities.

Appealing to Extremes is a poor form of argumentation.

Cycloptichorn

Saying that burning fossil fuels cause pollution IS a poor form of argumentation. Because demonizing something while not mentionning its benefits is biased reasonning.

Everybody loves to have an energy without pollution. But like free lunch, there is no such thing.
And if it ever existed, the pollution-free integrists would shoot themselves in the foot since an energy without pollution would encourage to waste MORE of it, mostly among the richest who can afford to "voluntarily pay a higher rate" who happens to be also the most wasteful ones (check out the numbers, the richer you are, how "green" you are, the more you consume energy , that's an inconvenient fact).

Eh he, take pause and ponder, something must be wrong in the logic house of cards.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 07:50 am
The volume of methane buildup in the average liberal is 37 times greater than that of the average
citizen and is directly proportionate to the blueness of the flame when you set them on fire.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 07:55 am
miniTAX wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I am a strong supporter of nuclear as well as other renewable technologies; were I provided with other options for my power generation, I would take them. In fact, though I cannot control the power usage at my place of business, I voluntarily pay a higher rate for my home power usage in order to subsidize the local wind generation facilities.

Appealing to Extremes is a poor form of argumentation.

Cycloptichorn

Saying that burning fossil fuels cause pollution IS a poor form of argumentation. Because demonizing something while not mentionning its benefits is biased reasonning.

Everybody loves to have an energy without pollution. But like free lunch, there is no such thing.
And if it ever existed, the pollution-free integrists would shoot themselves in the foot since an energy without pollution would encourage to waste MORE of it, mostly among the richest who can afford to "voluntarily pay a higher rate" who happens to be also the most wasteful ones (check out the numbers, the richer you are, how "green" you are, the more you consume energy , that's an inconvenient fact).

Eh he, take pause and ponder, something must be wrong in the logic house of cards.


This is so true. And even if the final product produces 'clean' energy, there is no way to get from the idea to that 'clean' energy without some polluting processes in between and also in the delivery system. Also, it seems logical that energy source "A" that is more polluting but highly efficient may be in the long term be more enviromentally economical than energy source "B" that is less polluting but also less efficient.
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miniTAX
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 08:21 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
The volume of methane buildup in the average liberal is 37 times greater than that of the average
citizen and is directly proportionate to the blueness of the flame when you set them on fire.

Burning produces a lot of heat and very few light. Not quite climate friendly !!!
Maybe somebody should engineer a LOL (liberal originated light) process.

Well I know finding enlightened liberals is a hopeless task but hey, after all, money does exist to finance 50 year prediction models.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 08:25 am
Quote:
Because demonizing something while not mentionning its benefits is biased reasonning.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 11:28 am
parados wrote:
Quote:
Because demonizing something while not mentionning its benefits is biased reasonning.

Drilling in ANWR, Parados.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 11:32 am
okie wrote:
parados wrote:
Quote:
Because demonizing something while not mentionning its benefits is biased reasonning.

Drilling in ANWR, Parados.


But the benefits of that were mentioned, were they not?

Just because people don't all agree that it will dramatically decrease America's dependence on foreign oil, or bring down the price of gas significantly doesn't mean that the potential benefits weren't mentioned.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 11:48 am
From the new issue of Foreign Affairs

Quote:
Rapidly rising oil prices have revived the debate over domestic oil production, including the controversial issue of drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). In the July/August 2001 issue of Foreign Affairs, Amory and L. Hunter Lovins argued that drilling in ANWR was risky, unnecessary, and a distraction from the real energy debate. With gas prices exceeding $4 per gallon, Republican presidential candidate John McCain now favors domestic offshore oil drilling but remains committed to keeping ANWR off limits. President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and many Republican legislators have called for opening ANWR. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes drilling offshore and in ANWR on the grounds that it would have little impact on gas prices.


http://www.foreignaffairs.org/e_newsltr/current.html

I've spent many a miserable day freezing in Fort McMurray, Beaufort Sea, and - most recently - Sakhalin oil installations and I don't see how ANWR would be economical, at a marginal cost of $80/bbl in 2008 prices, even if the wildly optimistic max prob projections in the year 2008 come to be realized. That's even before allowing for flora and fauna involved.

Anyone here who actually knows what happened in Sakhalin with the renegotiated contracts also knows not to question the costs of marginal drilling in tundra or polar waters. Anyone who doesn't might usefully educate himself before weighing in with baseless commentary.
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