Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

Foxfyre wrote:

Yes OE, I do prefer to focus on the message rather than the messenger though I do sometimes think it is important to evaluate the motive behind the messenger's message to determine its veracity.

Good. Seems to make sense when evaluating the "research" published by an UFO-nutter. Also seems to make sense when evaluating "research" from a think tank that gets millions of dollars from Exxon. For example..

Foxfyre wrote:

I was simply responding to Steve's assertion that Chalko was making a joke in this case when nobody else seems to think Chalko was intending this as a joke.

Okay.

To me, it seemed like you were referring to him as a legitimate scientist

Steve 41oo wrote:

A quick reading of Chalko's paper will reveal to anyone with a modicum of scientific training that its a joke. The perpetrators are having a laugh at the expense of those who take it seriously. Now who on this thread thinks its serious? Hands up.

Perhaps you you link us to Dr. Chalko's paper or to any authority who is saying that he intended it as a joke?

He has the credentials of a 'legitimate scientist' (SEE HERE)

I'm warming to this guy!!

Parados, please list the affordable products we can use right now to replace incandescent bulbs in our light fixtures other than CFLs?

This phase out of existing technology incandescent bulbs will start with:
the 100 watt bulb on 1/1/2012;
the 75 watt bulb on 1/1/2013; and
the 60 watt and 40 watt bulbs on 1/1/2014.

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Parados, please list the affordable products we can use right now to replace incandescent bulbs in our light fixtures other than CFLs?

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This phase out of existing technology incandescent bulbs will start with:
the 100 watt bulb on 1/1/2012;
the 75 watt bulb on 1/1/2013; and
the 60 watt and 40 watt bulbs on 1/1/2014.

First of all, you don't have to replace them yet.

Second, technology is moving rapidly in lighting - LEDS are getting close to be true replacement lights. They aren't quite there yet but in the last few years they have gone from 3w to 5w leds and have now started producing 10w leds. LEDs have a lifetime of 50,000 hours compared to 10,000 for cfls.

Third, Halogen is more efficient and HIR lamps which are already available meet the 70% standard so won't be phased out until at least 2020. (They presently cost about 40% more than tungsten halogen with a 25% increase in usage hours.)

I'm still waiting for you to produce evidence that the news source quoting him re a link between global warmng and earthquakes is presenting his views a humor, tongue-in-cheek or anything other than serious.

Okay I know he's a nut. The AGW skeptics on the thread have all so far agreed he's a nut. And even you AGW religionists think he's a nut.

The AP article I posted however does not present him as a nut. Nor apparently did several other MSM sources several of whom, if the blogs I've been reading are correct, have pulled their stories off the web.

So the bottom line remains: IF the mainstream media--does anybody think the AP is not among that illustrious group?--takes this guy seriously when we ALL agree he's a nut; how much careful research have they done in all their other pro-AGW articles?

Doesn't this give you guys the slightest reason for pause?

And one lamp already complies, which is an energy-saving halogen lamp from
Philips, available to consumers through the Halogená Energy Saver brand and through
electrical distribution through the Halogená Energy Advantage brand. These screw-in
halogen lamps are produced in 40W, 50W and 70W models to replace 60W, 75W and
100W incandescent lamps, respectively, for about 10% less light output and about 30%
energy savings. They dim easily and offer life rated at 3,000 hours. Other lamp
manufacturers may offer their own energy-efficient halogen bulbs by 2012.

I've seen my fair share of LED bulbs, but usually the lumens they output are fairly modest. This bulb, however, outputs 308 lumens using 150 warm white LEDs, and is rated at 9 Watts. It is said to be a replacement for a regular 70 Watt incandescent bulb. There's also a frosted version available that outputs about 594 lumens.

Differences in light quality from LED bulbs
One thing to note is that the light from these bulbs is probably a bit different in character from incandescents. LED light tends to be sharper and more direct (perhaps the frosted bulb overcomes this problem). The bulbs cost between $60-$70 each, and you can find them at X-Treme Geek and Cyberguys. Why would you pay this much for a bulb? Perhaps if you are off-grid or interested in long-term savings.

Halogen lampsHalogen lamps are a variation on standard incandescent bulbs. Although more expensive than standard lamps, they are a little more energy efficient, emit a brighter and a whiter light.

Halogen lamps tend to focus the light and are best used in task lighting, such as over a cooking area or for highlighting features such as artwork and architectural design. Due to the focussing effect of halogen lamps, they are not particularly suitable for general areas such as living rooms. This is because multiple lamps would be required to provide an even distribution of light.

Take an example of a small living area. To adequately light this space you may require a single 75 watt (W) incandescent globe. To provide general lighting, around three to four halogen lamps may be required (150 -200W). In this case it would be more economical to use a single incandescent lamp or even better, a fluorescent lamp.

Halogens can generate significant amounts of heat and are often recessed and vented into the ceiling to prevent overheating (see section on light fittings for further information on recessing).

Most halogens are low voltage and require a transformer. However, 'low voltage' does not simply equate to low energy consumption. The transformer is used to reduce the voltage (not wattage) to a level suitable for a halogen globe.

Dimmers are recommended with halogen lamps as you may not always require strong lighting.
http://www.sedo.energy.wa.gov.au/pages/lightopt.asp

Especially avoid halogen floor lamps, which typically have a power of 300W or more, produce lots of heat and are actually so hot (some 500°̊ Celsius) that they can cause serious burns and start fires. Besides, on hot summer days they are very uncomfortable to be around. A CFL floor lamp only uses 50-80W at 40°̊ Celsius. They can save loads of energy and even your life.
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/climate-change/take_action/your-energy

Halogen light sources (filament bulbs containing halogen gas)
Halogen bulbs produce a very attractive light which closely resembles sunlight. They are more efficient than incandescent bulbs using only half the energy to produce the same light output and last twice as long.

Generally they are small lamps which generate a lot of heat so they can only be used in light fittings designed to cope with the higher temperatures.

There are two main types of halogen lamp available in the domestic market:
http://www.ascolights.co.uk/light_bulb_guide.html

Incandescent Soft White
$1.49 60W 1000 hrs 840 lumens 4/pkg
Incandescent Soft White
$1.49 100W 750 hrs 1690 lumens 4/pkg
Incandescent Soft White Long Life
$2.79 100W 1125 hrs 1600 lumens 2/pkg
Incandescent Soft White miser
$2.49 95W 750 hrs 1610 lumens 4/pkg
Incandescent Soft White miser
$2.49 55W 1000 hrs 800 lumens 4/pkg
Fluorescent GE Super Long Life Soft White
$13.99 15W 10,000 hrs 900 lumens 1/pkg
Fluorescent GE Long Life Soft White
$9.99 15W 6,000 hrs 700 lumens 1/pkg
Fluorescent GE Long Life Soft White Bullet (has casing to make it look like an incandescent bulb)
$15.99 15W 6,000 hrs 800 lumens 1/pkg
Fluorescent Lights of America Trilite
$7.99 15W 10,000 hrs 840 lumens 1/pkg
Fluorescent Lights of America Soft White
$8.99 25W 10,000 hrs 1500 lumens 1/pkg
Halogen GE 90W
$5.49 90W 2000 hrs 1680 lumens 1/pkg
Halogen GE 50W
$4.99 50W 2000 hrs 830 lumens 1/pkg

Halogen light sources (filament bulbs containing halogen gas)
Halogen bulbs produce a very attractive light which closely resembles sunlight. They are more efficient than incandescent bulbs using only half the energy to produce the same light output and last twice as long.

You could try reading your sources Fox.

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Halogen light sources (filament bulbs containing halogen gas)
Halogen bulbs produce a very attractive light which closely resembles sunlight. They are more efficient than incandescent bulbs using only half the energy to produce the same light output and last twice as long.

50% of the energy means they make the cut for 2012 -2020

parados wrote:

You could try reading your sources Fox.

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Halogen light sources (filament bulbs containing halogen gas)
Halogen bulbs produce a very attractive light which closely resembles sunlight. They are more efficient than incandescent bulbs using only half the energy to produce the same light output and last twice as long.

50% of the energy means they make the cut for 2012 -2020

How come you left out all the bad points? Hmmmm?