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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 06:06 am
I think the good doctor ate too much Chalko in grade school.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 09:08 am
Foxfyre wrote:
So what do you guys think? More from the lunatic fringe to keep pumping nonsense to their disciples who are convinced we are all doomed? Or are they scrambling to find a new world crisis to keep the funding rolling in? (Interesting too that no reporter was willing to put his by line on this one.)

Today's Quakes Deadlier Than In Past
Study: Seismic Activity 5 Times More Energetic Than 20 Years Ago Because Of Global Warming

June 18, 2008

(AP) New research compiled by Australian scientist Dr. Tom Chalko shows that global seismic activity on Earth is now five times more energetic than it was just 20 years ago.

The research proves that destructive ability of earthquakes on Earth increases alarmingly fast and that this trend is set to continue, unless the problem of "global warming" is comprehensively and urgently addressed.

The analysis of more than 386,000 earthquakes between 1973 and 2007 recorded on the US Geological Survey database proved that the global annual energy of earthquakes on Earth began increasing very fast since 1990.

Dr. Chalko said that global seismic activity was increasing faster than any other global warming indicator on Earth and that this increase is extremely alarming.

"The most serious environmental danger we face on Earth may not be climate change, but rapidly and systematically increasing seismic, tectonic and volcanic activity," said Dr. Chalko.

"Increase in the annual energy of earthquakes is the strongest symptom yet of planetary overheating.

"NASA measurements from space confirm that Earth as a whole absorbs at least 0.85 Megawatt per square kilometer more energy from the Sun than it is able to radiate back to space. This 'thermal imbalance' means that heat generated in the planetary interior cannot escape and that the planetary interior must overheat. Increase in seismic, tectonic and volcanic activities is an unavoidable consequence of the observed thermal imbalance of the planet," said Dr. Chalko.

Dr. Chalko has urged other scientists to maximize international awareness of the rapid increase in seismic activity, pointing out that this increase is not theoretical but that it is an Observable Fact.

"Unless the problem of global warming (the problem of persistent thermal imbalance of Earth) is addressed urgently and comprehensively - the rapid increase in global seismic, volcanic and tectonic activity is certain. Consequences of inaction can only be catastrophic. There is no time for half-measures."
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Huh?
Laughing Laughing
Is there any more proof needed that some of today's "scientists" have gone over the edge, Foxfyre?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 11:39 am
okie wrote:
Huh?
Laughing Laughing
Is there any more proof needed that some of today's "scientists" have gone over the edge, Foxfyre?


Over the edge or desperate to protect their funding. I suspect the latter is more likely to be the case here. But only the kool-ade drinkers could possibly read this kind of stuff and not at least wonder how many of all those other pro AGW studies, peer reviewed or not, are equally as bogus.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 11:46 am
8" of hail today in Nebraska

http://www.drudgereport.com/hsn.jpg
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 01:29 pm
username wrote:
It's AP. Most of their stuff doesn't have a byline.

No, it's NUTS. Much of their stuff doesn't represent reality.


Oh my God Exclamation The average global temperature has increased almost 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit within the last 33 years Exclamation And it's been cooling over the last 3 years Exclamation All that heating and cooling has cracked, slided and busted the earth's crust Exclamation We are lost, all lost Exclamation Mad Confused Crying or Very sad


Rolling Eyes
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 01:54 pm
THE DISSENTS OF THE SCIENTIFIC DISSENTERS

Quote:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport#report

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Geologist Morten Hald, an Arctic expert at the University of Tromso in Norway, questioned the reliability of computer models predicting a melting Arctic. "The main problem is that these models are often based on relatively new climate data. The thermometer has only been in existence for 150 years and information on temperature which is 150 years old does not capture the large natural changes," Hald, who is participating with a Norwegian national team in Arctic climate research, said in a May 18, 2007 article. (LINK) The article continued, "Professor Hald believes the models which are utilized to make prognoses about the future climate changes consider paleoclimate only to a minor degree." "Studies of warm periods in the past, like during the Stone Ages can provide valuable knowledge to understand and tackle the warmer climate in the future," Hald explained. Hald has also expressed uncertainty about how to evaluate various climate forcing factors and predict future climate after a study of patterns and variability of past climate in the Norwegian Region. "The instrumental record of climate variability is too short and spatially incomplete to reveal the full range of seasonal to millennial-scale climate variability, or to provide empirical examples of how the climate system responds to large changes in climate forcing. This recent record is also a complex reflection of both natural and anthropogenic forcing (e.g., trace gases and aerosols). Various proxy sources, on the other hand, provide the much wider range of realizations needed to describe and understand the full range of natural climate system behavior," according to Hald. "The reconstructions clearly show that climate in the Norwegian Region has been both significantly warmer and cooler that it is today during the Holocene. Both rapid (decadal) changes, as well as more gradual (century-millennial) changes have been observed during the past," he added.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 10:11 pm
And as a sequel to Doctor Chalky's wonderful scenario of global destruction via earthquake or other seismic disasters due to global warming, here is a voice of reason from a Texas Congressman explaining what our brilliant Congress has foisted upon us via light bulbs:

TakeS 3 or 4 minutes, but worth listening:

CONGRESSMAN POE AND LIGHT BULBS
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miniTAX
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 01:26 am
Foxfyre wrote:
And as a sequel to Doctor Chalky's wonderful scenario of global destruction via earthquake or other seismic disasters due to global warming, here is a voice of reason from a Texas Congressman explaining what our brilliant Congress has foisted upon us via light bulbs:
The mad doctor Chalko when he was younger and saner :

http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Global_Warming_Politics/A_Hot_Topic_Blog/Entries/2008/6/19_The_Mad_Professor_files/shapeimage_2.jpg
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 05:30 am
A quick reading of Chalko's paper will reveal to anyone with a modicum of scientific training that its a joke. The perpetrators are having a laugh at the expense of those who take it seriously. Now who on this thread thinks its serious? Hands up. Laughing
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 07:19 am
Foxfyre wrote:
And as a sequel to Doctor Chalky's wonderful scenario of global destruction via earthquake or other seismic disasters due to global warming, here is a voice of reason from a Texas Congressman explaining what our brilliant Congress has foisted upon us via light bulbs:

TakeS 3 or 4 minutes, but worth listening:

CONGRESSMAN POE AND LIGHT BULBS


Reason is relative I guess.

Banning incandescent light bulbs is not the same thing as requiring CFLs. (Lie #1)Today, you can light an entire home without incandescent or cfl bulbs. (halogen, tube fluorescent, LED, HID etc) In 5 years, LEDs may work as well as incandescents in lumens per lamp. Their wattage per lumen is similar to CFLs but the lumens aren't there yet.

"You have to follow "rules" thanks to congress." (Lie #2) Congress did NOT pass any rules for clean up and EPA doesn't have "rules" for clean up.

Note the actual words of the EPA vs what the idiot from TX says.
Quote:
EPA recommends the following clean-up and disposal below.

http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#fluorescent
The idiot from Texas raises the scenario of police from the EPA enforcing their recommendations. (Lie #3)

There is no EPA light bulb law (Lie #4) There is the EPA and there is a light bulb law. They are not the same thing.

May fade photographs? Light can fade photographs. I guess the idiot from TX doesn't realize that incandescent light bulbs also give off light.
(Lie #5)



Everything that is electric creates radio waves of some kind. Electronic equipment is required by law to contain a warning that it may interfere with radio waves. The idea that you can't watch TV because of CFLs is ludicrous. Most remotes use infrared light and not radio waves so the chances of a CFL giving off the correct IR flashes to interfere are astronomical. All TVs are shielded to prevent interference from other radio sources. I bet you could place 50 CFLs with 3 feet of your TV and have no problems
"Now we are in trouble for Monday night football"(Lie #6)

And those are the untruths I found in just one quick listen.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 07:35 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
A quick reading of Chalko's paper will reveal to anyone with a modicum of scientific training that its a joke. The perpetrators are having a laugh at the expense of those who take it seriously. Now who on this thread thinks its serious? Hands up. Laughing


Perhaps you you link us to Dr. Chalko's paper or to any authority who is saying that he intended it as a joke?
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 08:02 am
I love Chalko's paper on how global warming will make the earth explode.

No one can take this seriously Fox. The guy is a nut.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 08:05 am
To Parados, Congressman Poe was obviously doing some exaggeration in his humorous presentation that was intended to make a point, but I don't think his presentation qualifies as a lie. Some of the older CFLs DID interfere with radio and TV reception--I have experienced that myself--though I have not noticed any problem with the newer ones.

Here are comments on some of the other points he made:

The Specifics of the 2007 Energy Bill - Incandescent Phase Out
Phasing Out Existing Incandescent Technology:
One of the most controversial provisions in the law is the requirement that starting in 2012, ""general service incandescent lamps"" (according to the government this means a standard incandescent or halogen type lamp) will have to be at least 30% more energy efficient than today''s incandescent versions.

This phase out of existing technology incandescent bulbs will start with:
the 100 watt bulb on 1/1/2012;
the 75 watt bulb on 1/1/2013; and
the 60 watt and 40 watt bulbs on 1/1/2014.

By 2020 all bulbs will have to be at least 70% more efficient than today''s incandescent bulbs.

Does this mean all incandescent light bulbs? No, of course not. Like any government "mandate" there are "Exemptions."

Why? Well, because the government realizes that CFL''s (which are the only current affordable lighting source that meet these hurdles) have serious functional limitations and cannot be used in many situations, so exceptions are needed.
http://homerepair.about.com/od/electricalrepair/ss/2007_energybill_3.htm

When an incandescent light bulb burns out you throw it in the trash. Simple enough. When a CFL or Compact Fluorescent Lamp burns out, you just throw it in the trash too, right? Wrong!

CFL's contain mercury and mercury has no place in our landfills. Most spent commercial fluorescent lamps used in business are carefully controlled and recycled by law under the EPA's Universal Waste Rule. It is unfortunate that with all the hype surrounding residential CFL's there has been such a lack of information on the need to recycle these bulbs and not throw them away. Public awareness on the hazards of CFL's and how to dispose of them properly has been abysmal.
http://homerepair.about.com/od/electricalrepair/ss/CFL_recycling.htm

QUESTION:
Are the manufacturing and/or the importing of incandescent light bulbs going to be illegal starting in 2012?
ANSWER: "Yes" and "No".

Unless groundbreaking new High Efficiency Incandescent (HEI) technology emerges as GE promises by 2010, the answer is ""yes"" for general use 100 Watt incandescents in 2012, and "yes" for 75 and 60 Watt bulbs by 2014, but ""no"" for many types of other incandescent bulbs even after 2014.
http://homerepair.about.com/od/electricalrepair/ss/2007_energybill.htm
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 08:07 am
parados wrote:
I love Chalko's paper on how global warming will make the earth explode.

No one can take this seriously Fox. The guy is a nut.


Could you link us to a copy? I agree that he is a nut. Without reading the paper, however, I am in no position to agree or disagree with Steve as to whether Chalko intended the paper to be a joke.
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 08:09 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
A quick reading of Chalko's paper will reveal to anyone with a modicum of scientific training that its a joke. The perpetrators are having a laugh at the expense of those who take it seriously. Now who on this thread thinks its serious? Hands up. Laughing


Perhaps you you link us to Dr. Chalko's paper or to any authority who is saying that he intended it as a joke?



Well. I know you like focusing on the message instead of bashing the messenger, Foxy, but it might be worth to spend 2 minutes to look "Dr." Chalko's background.

He "published" his "paper" in the NU Journal of of Discovery (and, by the way, 'NU' stands for 'Natural University') - so why not take a look at that "publication"?

Here you go: NU Journal of Discovery


Note that all the publications stem from one Thomas J. Chalko. Amongst the titles:

- No second Chance: Can Earth Explode as a result of Global Warming?
- Can a Neutron Bomb accelerate Global Volcanic Activity?

and of course

- Earthquake Energy Rise on Earth



Note, also, that "Dr." Chalko is, on the side, running this website here: The Thiaoouba Prophecy

The link on top of the page links back to his "publication" 'Global Warming: Can Earth EXPLODE?'. Yup.

So what is Thiaoouba all about? Well, you should have a look at their FAQ. It's fun. It's amazing. Here's a sample:

Quote:
Q. People from Thiaoouba bring the message of love. What about killing people in the parallel universe ?

A. People get stuck in the parallel universe for thousands of years. Killing them there is a sort of favor, because their astral bodies are liberated and can progress on the path of reincarnation. If they do not get killed, and do not have the knowledge to get out, they exist there until the planet exists, which is quite a while. Not that there is anything wrong with it. We have all the time in the Universe (1e22 years approximately) to evolve and reach the Source of Consciousness. I guess, that killing in there was a part of Michel's lesson.




Bottom line: "Dr." Chalko has probably not intended this to be a joke. Unfortunately, he is a joke.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 08:18 am
Phasing out the incandescent lightbulb is not the same thing as a law requiring everyone to use cfls.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 08:19 am
Bottom line,
There are nuts on both sides.

Congressman Poe - NUT
Dr Chalko - NUT

The good news is Chalko isn't in Congress.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 08:34 am
Parados, please list the affordable products we can use right now to replace incandescent bulbs in our light fixtures other than CFLs?

Yes OE, I do prefer to focus on the message rather than the messenger though I do sometimes think it is important to evaluate the motive behind the messenger's message to determine its veracity. I was simply responding to Steve's assertion that Chalko was making a joke in this case when nobody else seems to think Chalko was intending this as a joke.

Meanwhile, to use absurdity to identify absurdity:

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20080620RZ1AP-ANWRDrill.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm080619.jpg
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 08:46 am
And moving on to the debate, it seems that even our leftwing controlled Congress stuggles with the conflict between the realities of dangers of global warming versus the realities of economic impact to combat it. So we have an energy plan that is going to cost the people a bundle with no proved benefit and possible harm to the climate/environment versus the immediate economic impact that was stalled in the debate process.

June 20, 2008
The Global Warming Bubble
By Rich Lowry

Rarely has so much hectoring produced so little.

After all the magazine covers, celebrity sermonizing and U.N.-certified-expert hand-wringing, the fight against global warming got a real-world test in the U.S. Senate a few weeks ago in the debate over a proposal to limit carbon emissions through a cap-and-trade system. After a small dose of the argument, supporters of the proposal couldn't wait to drop it. It was leading opponent Mitch McConnell, the Republican Senate minority leader, who declared he'd be happy to talk about cap-and-trade for a month.

As an indirect tax on carbon, cap-and-trade would increase energy prices when people are already straining under $4-a-gallon gas. Even a political naif -- which McConnell assuredly is not -- would realize the benefit of hanging the proposal around its supporters' necks. Lately, we've seen the tech and housing bubbles burst, and now -- at least as an urgent political issue -- the global-warming bubble is getting pricked.

Let's count the ways: First, those gas prices. They are just one way that the soaring price of oil has put a crimp in the standard of living of Americans. They have little taste for seeing it crimped more, and why should they? The cost-benefit analysis of battling global warming is never going to make sense for Americans.

The places that would be hurt by global warming tend to be warm, wet, and low-lying. Think Bangladesh. For the U.S., warming isn't much of a threat. So, stringent measures against global warming are really a massive foreign-aid program, but an intangible and speculative one. If the predicted warming materializes, and if it has the drastic effects warned about (e.g., big rises in sea levels), people living in faraway countries a century or more from now may be adversely affected -- in short, a theoretical benefit to people as yet unborn.

We should feel a moral obligation to aid Bangladesh and similar places with mitigation measures, when (and, again, if) the time comes. Until then, our consciences should rest easy, given the $20 billion annually we spend on development assistance, including billions of dollars fighting AIDS, malaria, and other diseases affecting people whose suffering isn't theoretical.

Second, there's China. It has passed the U.S. as the world's leading emitter of carbon dioxide, and it accounted for two-thirds of the increase in the world's emissions in 2007. Global action against global warming makes little sense without China taking part, and it won't. If we can't get China to quit jailing dissidents and arming a genocidal Sudan, what hope is there of getting it to stop something -- rapid economic development -- that's otherwise unobjectionable? With hundreds of millions of Chinese people living in abject poverty, the country's economic growth is one of the world's most important initiatives against human misery.

Finally, there's the global-cooling spell. The world hasn't been warming since 1998, and an article in the journal Nature says warming won't pick up again until 2015. Since global warming is a long-term trend, a decade-long or more stall in temperatures doesn't mean much -- except that environmentalists have banked so much politically on whipping up hysteria based on imminent catastrophe. The stall in temperatures shows how little we know about global warming. It means that the .3 degrees Celsius increase in global temperatures predicted during the next decade by the U.N.'s much-vaunted Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change may not happen.

No matter what the price of gas is, the most sensible policy in the U.S. is to avoid costly schemes to fight global warming. If our economy keeps growing, we will be better positioned -- richer, and more technologically proficient -- to help others mitigate its effects decades from now. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid huffs that global warming is "the most critical issue of our time." Really? More critical than energy prices? Than health care? Than wages? Than terrorism? Than nuclear proliferation? Keep huffing, Mr. Reid -- that deflating bubble needs all the air it can get.
LINK
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 09:01 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Yes OE, I do prefer to focus on the message rather than the messenger though I do sometimes think it is important to evaluate the motive behind the messenger's message to determine its veracity.


Good. Seems to make sense when evaluating the "research" published by an UFO-nutter. Also seems to make sense when evaluating "research" from a think tank that gets millions of dollars from Exxon. For example.


Foxfyre wrote:
I was simply responding to Steve's assertion that Chalko was making a joke in this case when nobody else seems to think Chalko was intending this as a joke.


Okay.

To me, it seemed like you were referring to him as a legitimate scientist.
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